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Cajun Catfish
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
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Meanwhile, go screw yourself you retard!
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Wow "Space" What an unnecessary and ridiculous response. Sadly though your response illustrates perfectly what kind of person you must be. To make matters worse for you just put that out there for all to see you for who you really are. I feel sorry for you bro and how miserably unhappy you must be in your pitiful existence. Good luck to you my brother..


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ibleedprplngld
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
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They run plays from under center for the running game/play action. Derrius Guice isn't nearly as effective in the spread/pistol formation. 70 - 75% of the offense is run the spread.


No it isn't. Damn near every jet sweep is from under center, every run, and every play action pass. And spread offenses, again, DO NOT RUN PLAYS FROM UNDER CENTER.

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His accuracy has improved at the NFL level but in college he used his mobility a lot of times to make plays. He had a lot of bad games throwing the football i.e . You listed 3 QBs, please continue to the other 2.


You clearly did not watch Deshauwn Watson play in college. Dude carved Bama's D in the championship game. He is, and was, an accurate passer with good decision making skills.

Also, stop being such a homer acting like Cam Newton and Jalen Hurts aren't/weren't good passers just because they happened to whip our ass. Jalen Hurts can run because the defense is forced to respect his passing ability. Cam Newton ran because he could, but he's still an accurate passer. You do not start in the NFL if you're not an accurate passer. And you sure as shite don't get drafted in the 1st round if you're not.
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BayouBoogie
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
I can't argue with you. Facts and logic just seem to evade you. Here 's a link to the cut-up of the LSU/Alabama game. LINK

JUST Watch it all plays under center are running/play action. Again 70 - 75% of our offense is spread.

I never said anything negative about Hurts, Newton or DESHAUN Watson. All I said were they weren't "GREAT at digesting defenses". They relied on their athletic ability to extend plays/drives. THAT'S ALL.
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Geaux Engineer
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
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Regardless of the position you want to ake in this debate Narcisse has NOT DONE ANYTHING ON THE FIELD OF PLAY in the last 3 years anywhere close to what Brennan has accomplished and proven.


If Narcisse played against that weak competition he would have been the #1 prospect in the country. Narcissee put up insane numbers against real competition as high school sophomore.


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Case in point, Myles Brennan beat out 18 other QBs to advanced from the Elite 11 to the Nike Finals in Oregon and Lowell was sent home.


But couldn't beat out Danny Etling.




TheHat7
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
That’s because he didn’t know the offense well enough. LN has struggled with that also. I think Canada would rather incorporate the qb runs if it were up to him. So imo he would prefer a more athletic qb. But if Myles is a better option so be it. O has said he wants a DT qb.. so if LN gets his accuracy issues ironed out & learns Canadas offense he may win the job. But all signs point to Myles Imo. Without a spring camp he seemed to understand the offense better than Ln and was more accurate. O said Myles can make all the Throws early on so to me he’s #2, #1 when Etling graduates. Hopefully LN doesn’t transfer because the talk is right now that Brennan is the future. Bad move if he does. Most depth charts will be tougher than LSU’s. Next year He would see the field soon either by struggles or injury at Lsu Imo. Unless he goes to Grambling or juco route like Lindsey.


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RoDee
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
Why don't we just wait and see. Competition will tell the tail of the tiger starter. Foy you grammar freaks I meant to spell "tail" that way.


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ibleedprplngld
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
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JUST Watch it all plays under center are running/play action. Again 70 - 75% of our offense is spread.


Dude, you’re killing me. If there are plays run from under center, it is NOT a spread offense. It doesn’t matter if 70-75% of the plays were run from out of the gun. Spread offense is a phylosophy, not a formation. Also, spread offenses run consistently with 4-5 WR. How many 4-5 WR sets has LSU run all season? I’d say less than 10% off the top of my head with 4, and less than 2% with 5.

I hate to break it to you pal, but you’re the one that doesn’t understand the facts. There’s no logic at play here. You’re arguing that because LSU used the shot gun formation, they run a spread offense. There’s no logic, you’re just wrong.


Madking
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
Canada’s offense is considered multiple and yes a spread offense can be run from under center. The Run And Shoot offense was 75% under center at least and is considered a spread offense.


BayouBoogie
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
You have to be just trolling now.

You said, "spread offenses run consistently with 4-5 WR"
There are only 11 players on the field. 5 lineman, 1 quarterback. So according to you, spread offenses don't have Full backs/H-Backs/Tight-ends.

To help you out here are the snaps from the LSU/Arkansas game:
RB – Derrius Guice (87.0/43 snaps)
WR – D.J. Chark (85.8/27 snaps)
C – Will Clapp (83.1/58 snaps)
OT – Toby Weathersby (78.3/58 snaps)
QB – Danny Etling (78.1/58 snaps)
WR – Dee Anderson (76.8/16 snaps)
H-Back – Tory Carter (76.7/17 snaps)
OT – Saahdiq Charles (73.4/58 snaps)
WR – Stephen Sullivan (72.2/31 snaps)
TE – Foster Moreau (69.5/56 snaps)
OG – Ed Ingram (65.8/58 snaps)
TE – J.D. Moore (64.2/17 snaps)
OG – Garrett Brumfield (63.2/58 snaps)
WR – Justin Jefferson (60.1/4 snaps)
RB – Darrel Williams (59.4/20 snaps)
WR – Russell Gage (57.8/15 snaps)
WR – Drake Davis (56.4/13 snaps)
WR – Derrick Dillon (44.2/21 snaps)
TE – Jamal Pettigrew (42.3/10 snaps)

Please.....name a school that runs a "spread offense"? I can't wait to see this.
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Cajun Catfish
Member since May 2016
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
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"If Narcisse played against that weak competition he would have been the #1 prospect in the country. Narcissee put up insane numbers against real competition as high school sophomore.."
BUT HE DID NOT ACTUALLY DO IT SO THAT STATEMENT IS MEANINGLESS AND BASED ON "WHAT IF"

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"But couldn't beat out Danny Etling".
AND NEITHER DID NARCISSE!! He could not even beat out Brennan..

Look LN may be the next Dak Prescott but you can not make an argument of that by what he has done in one sophomore year in HS because that is relatively nothing comparatively speaking to the rest of the QBs in the country that have played every down of their 3 to 4 years of HS football.



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LSUStar
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
LN has had two very serious injuries and, as you said has played very little in, what, two years. Time will tell. For now, no one knows.


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ibleedprplngld
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Member since Jan 2012
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
Your math is off bud. 4 WR set equals single running back and/or TE. And sure, spread offenses tend to put TE in the slot.

And since you asked
Clemson
Washington
FSU
Ole Miss
TCU
SMU
Oregon
Texas Tech
Baylor
West Virginia
Houston
Arizona

Need I go on?

Also, really not sure what you were trying to accomplish by listing the percentage of snaps by each player?
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ibleedprplngld
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
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The Run And Shoot offense was 75% under center at least and is considered a spread offense.


I’m assumig you meant the “Run and Gun” offense the Spurrier coined in his Florida days? That’s more of a hybrid offense that pioneered the modern day spread. And yes, Canada’s offense could be considered multiple or a hybrid. But it is not a spread offense.


Rebel
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I’m assumig you meant the “Run and Gun” offense the Spurrier coined in his Florida days?


Spurriers offense was called the "Fun and gun".


The "run and shoot" is a similar but different offense.



ibleedprplngld
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
That’s it. My bad. Run and Shoot is a new one for me. I’ll have to look it up.

ETA: Did my homework. Run and shoot hasn’t been a base offense for some time. Although I do see a ton of elements of it in NFL teams. The Saints and Patriots in particular. Requires a smart QB and a lot of chemistry between WR and QB. I could be wrong, but I don’t see it being used or even being successful at the college level.
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BayouBoogie
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
NO, NO, NO.... don't try to change it up now. Stop talking out of your ass. You said consistently have 4-5 WRs. Not TEs. Also Foster is usually on the line either in pass protection or to chip DE/OLBs, not in the slot for 56 snaps. There were only 58 snaps in the game not including 4th down.

We run multiple offensive formations/sets as well.
3 WR, RB, TE
2 WR, TE, HB, RB
5 WR = LAST DITCH HAIL MARY


What about Troy Carter and JD Moore? LOL Were they in the slot too? I gave you a link to the film I can literally do no more.

Most of the teams you named run almost the exact same offense as we do.
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Rebel
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Run and Shoot is a new one for me. I’ll have to look it up.




maybe you should since it revolutionized the game in the 90's.



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ibleedprplngld
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
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NO, NO, NO.... don't try to change it up now. Stop talking out of your ass. You said consistently have 4-5 WRs. Not TEs. Also Foster is usually on the line either in pass protection or to chip DE/OLBs. There were 58 snaps in the game not including 4th down. What about Troy Carter and JD Moore? LOL Were they in the slot too? I gave you a link to the film I can literally do no more.


You literally just stated exactly why LSU does not run a spread offense. My god. How old are you? 12?

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Most of the teams you named run almost the exact same offense as we do.


you said a lot of stupid shit, but this is by far the dumbest. I can’t even man. You’re making yourself look like a fool.

LINK

Maybe that will help you, kid. Good luck.
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Rebel
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
I have no idea why you are arguing over whether or not Canada's offense is a spread offense or not, but it is.

Where the QB lines up makes no difference.


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Madking
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re: So who’s really better? Brennan or Narcisse?
Right Spurriers offense was called the fun and gun it had a lot of spread sets but also used the I formation and didn’t use the shotgun until post 1997. The Run and Shoot was what the Warren Moon Houston Oilers, Atlanta Falcons and Detroit Lions used in the 90s. It was also used by the Houston Cougars in the NCAA with Andre Ware and David Klingler its a 4 wide receiver offense mostly under center and was probly the earliest version of the spread offense. I wasn’t really arguing your point just adding on to it by saying you’re right spread style offenses are a philosophy but that there are different disciplines of spread type offenses. For instance Chip Kelly, Hal Mumme, Dan Mullen and June Jones all run “spread” offenses but are all totally different within the spread construct. Kelly uses tempo and zone read as the backbone of his, Mullen uses traditional power running plays but runs them out of the gun, Mumme hardly runs the ball at all and features the short passing game and Jones runs the Run and Shoot which is psss heavy but also features a running back with limited traditional run plays from under center.
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