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re: So what did CEH do? UPDATE: CEH involved in fatal shooting

Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:37 pm to
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33731 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:37 pm to
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I know lots of people who have done this. I even drafted and notarized one once.


Thats cool most have done a bill of sale, but thats more just for feel goods.

Notarizing it would be a different story.

Most people dont do either of these, which is perfectly legal and fine. You dont have to do either.

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But many still do it to protect themselves


Is a bill of sale that isnt notarized a legal document? I'm not a lawyer, but I dont think a bill of sale will hold up.
Posted by PapaPogey
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
40490 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:37 pm to
Hell, in a spot like that, you wouldn’t feel a BB straight to the chest anyway.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16613 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:37 pm to
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The guy pulled a BB gun and pointed it at Clyde's teammate. Clyde is a police officer's son and has been trained extensively on how to use a hand gun. What other details do you need?


This. Look I’m sorry the young man is dead. But when you rob somebody with something indistinguishable from a firearm, you’re putting your life on the line.
Posted by LSUTigerFan12
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2018
232 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:39 pm to
Where are y’all getting this BB gun information from? Can someone explain?
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
20827 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:39 pm to
It was reported that 2 guns were recovered from the truck. One likely the dead guy's and one likely CEH's.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 8:44 pm
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
21860 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:39 pm to
Here to back up Banana. “YEAH!”

Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108704 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:39 pm to
I'm not a gun guy. But, with this conversation in curious now, is there a way to find out if a gun has been reported stolen if you buy it from an individual? Is it as easy as calling a police precinct?
Posted by PapaPogey
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
40490 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:40 pm to
It has been thrown around since the birth of this story, not sure if it’s true or not.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49405 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:40 pm to
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I'm just trying to picture how CEH was able to get the first shot in. The guy was in the backseat, with his gun drawn, and CEH was able to pull, cock, turn around and accurately shoot chest then head. That's impressive.


The gun was drawn on Small, not Clyde.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33731 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:40 pm to
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You don't need to do an FFL transfer in Louisiana? I thought that was a federal requirement for transferring ownership of handguns.



Nope, you dont need anything. Just give me money and I give you gun. Obviously, FFLs are different, but private sales are as easy as that.

And we would hope if you suspect someone of being a felon that you wouldnt sell them a weapon. Ive done that before. Dude was shady as frick. Refused to sell them something.
Posted by PapaPogey
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
40490 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:40 pm to
If you know the serial number (most don’t) you can report that to the police
Posted by tigersfirst
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
1064 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:41 pm to
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In Louisiana, lack of knowledge that the firearm was stolen is an affirmative defense.

That means all the prosecution has to do is show that the defendant possessed the stolen firearm. Then the burden shifts to the defendant to prove that he did not know it was stolen.



Bingo. See below.


§69.1. Illegal possession of stolen firearms

A.(1) Illegal possession of stolen firearms is the intentional possessing, procuring, receiving, or concealing of a firearm which has been the subject of any form of misappropriation.

(2) It shall be an affirmative defense to a prosecution for a violation of this Section that the offender had no knowledge that the firearm was the subject of any form of misappropriation.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49405 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:42 pm to
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Is a bill of sale that isnt notarized a legal document?



Yes

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I'm not a lawyer, but I dont think a bill of sale will hold up.


It’s evidence. It’s value is up to the finder of fact.
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
18238 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:45 pm to
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Where are y’all getting this BB gun information from? Can someone explain?




Another poster who spoke with one of the first responders whose threads keep getting whacked.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
35079 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:45 pm to
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lyde is a police officer's son and has been trained extensively on how to use a hand gun


You know this or are you assuming this?
Posted by tigersfirst
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
1064 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:45 pm to
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I'm not a gun guy. But, with this conversation in curious now, is there a way to find out if a gun has been reported stolen if you buy it from an individual? Is it as easy as calling a police precinct?



Doubt you would get much help from a local precinct. A firearms trace report would have to be run. If I had to guess, calling a local ATF office would be your best bet.
Posted by TrevRollings29
Orlando
Member since Dec 2018
969 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:46 pm to
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Clyde is a police officer's son and has been trained extensively on how to use a hand gun. What other details do you need?



Lol. I'm not understanding the defensiveness on here. I simply said it was impressive. Like ove said before, it's amazing how all of a sudden, EVERYONE is for gun rights and self defense with a gun now given the situation.

I didnt know one was a B.B. gun and I didnt know our law enforcement's training was so bad arse. I'm here to learn.

Thanks
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33731 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:48 pm to
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I'm not a gun guy. But, with this conversation in curious now, is there a way to find out if a gun has been reported stolen if you buy it from an individual? Is it as easy as calling a police precinct?



According to the cop wife you can call the cops and a deputy will come out ans run the serial number. They wont do it over the phone because if its stolen or has been used in a crime they will obviously have questions for whoever possesses the firearm.

ETA: She also said if they are busy, dont expect them to come.

You can also go to a gun store and they can do the transfer for some sort of fee. Thatd be up to them though.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 8:49 pm
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
18238 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:49 pm to
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You know this or are you assuming this?




Call it an educated guess. My grandfather was a deputy sheriff and a former Marine. I knew how to handle a gun by the time I was 13. So did everyone else in my family.
Posted by TrevRollings29
Orlando
Member since Dec 2018
969 posts
Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:52 pm to
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Call it an educated guess. My grandfather was a deputy sheriff and a former Marine. I knew how to handle a gun by the time I was 13. So did everyone else in my family


Likewise, I've seen louisiana law enforcement over seas trying to train other police forces and they couldn't hit a 2 liter bottle from 100m out with a 4x on an m4.
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