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re: So O asks fans to be “patient with offense. 35% installed”
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:55 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:55 pm to boxcar willie
Willie my man speaking the truth.
Good post.
Good post.
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:55 pm to boxcar willie
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to see him be given a chance
What were the 2016 and 2017 seasons if not a chance?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 4:03 pm to boxcar willie
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that's a rant myth. No such thing.
When you're happier with 9-4 under one coach over another, and don't expect more, there's at least some credence to liking one coach more than the other.
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However there are many 'LSU FANS' who want to see him be given a chance because if he succeeds then LSU succeeds and vice versa. Some LSU fans don't spin a negative light around everything he does and give credit where credit is due and where there is not, they want to see improvement.
Just as there are many 'LSU FANS' who want nothing more than the best for the program, and don't think the current leader is equipped to get there, nor do they think he is worthy of 'a chance' based on his history. With that said, they are happy to give credit where credit is due, when positive trends are uncovered and consistency is proven. Some fans care about the institution and the football program and don't automatically cheer a head coach or rationalize when evidence may point to a different trajectory.
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Just as they would do with any LSU coach. Same as Miles, as Sabin, as Dinardo, etc.
You should hop over to the thread where Les Miles won with Saban's players and where Miles' recruiting is brought into questions, which raises the significant quandry of was Miles recruiting well, but was a bad coach, or was Miles' not recruiting well but was a good coach. This is still yet to be determined - apparently.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 4:07 pm to boxcar willie
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Some LSU fans don't spin a negative light around everything he does
I think as long as he continues to be a reactive coach instead of a proactive coach people are going to continue to doubt his decisions.
I can only speak for myself and say that I believe there's a chance it comes together this year, although I don't believe it's going to happen. The off season changes and the coaching staff make some sense on paper, but they did last season as well. That is why you get the "I'll believe it when I see it" comments so often.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:57 pm to allsports34
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Coach O will be out at the Alumni golf tourney with many former players why don't you haters come out there and tell him he sucks???
im not a woman so ill be safe from his wrath.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 12:04 am to boxcar willie
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's a rant myth. No such thing.
there are numerous posters that are ok with losing 4 games under O and yet they bashed 3 losses under miles
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:06 am to Rickdaddy4188
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im not a woman
That's debatable lilprickyboy
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:12 am to Le Tenia
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That's debatable lilprickyboy
im at every lsu home game,in the same spot,if youd like to walk over and find out.
we both know that youre just running that dick sucker of yours behind the safety and anonymity of a keyboard
tell us again how DJ doesnt have fluid hips. youre a clown that regurgitates football terms he heard football analysts say about players.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 1:19 am
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
I bet you do sit your fat arse in the same spot.
You would know all about fluid hips. That's where you hold on when you're taking other guys temps.
You would know all about fluid hips. That's where you hold on when you're taking other guys temps.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:54 am to Skillet
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If for some crazy reason O has a great season, I can see all of you O haters saying "yeah but there's no way he can back it up with another great season because he sucks".
History and reality both suggest that if O has a great season it's primarily due to "some crazy reason" and not because he's a great head coach. I'll give Orgeron credit for having a great season when or if he ever achieves one.
The deck has always been stacked against O when it comes to him successfully running LSU's program. The terrible odds have nothing to do with the "O Haters" and rabid fans, but everything to do with O lacking the required skill sets for quality head coaching.
This is not a knock or personal attack on him in anyway. Like I've said before... "You can't train a mule to be a race horse"
Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:38 am to Rickdaddy4188
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im at every lsu home game,in the same spot,if youd like to walk over and find out.
we both know that youre just running that dick sucker of yours behind the safety and anonymity of a keyboard
Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:56 am to Fat Bastard
This fricking geek posts this same crap over and over.
Confrontational little man it appears.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 8:21 am to p&g
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This fricking geek posts this same crap over and over.
So do you.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 8:32 am to boxcar willie
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Some LSU fans don't spin a negative light around everything he does and give credit where credit is due and where there is not, they want to see improvement.
Thing is, I measure O based on who came before him, which is fair because we fired the last guy to get him. What has he done better than Les Miles thus far? I see nothing in all honesty. Tell me what he's done better.
Is the offense better? No.
Is the defense better? No.
Are special teams better? No.
Is our win/loss record better? No.
Is recruiting better? No.
Show me all of these great things he's done since he's gotten here.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 9:25 am to Le Tenia
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bet you do sit your fat arse in the same spot.
You would know all about fluid hips. That's where you hold on when you're taking other guys temps
and yet i see no mention of you wanting to come check yourself.
and again, when ever you try to insult someone, you go straight to homosexual acts. its says a lot about you. go ahead and come out of the closet. im sure your mom will still love you but i cant promise your dad will.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 9:26 am to p&g
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Confrontational little man it appears.
my pic has been on here for years. im actually 240 lbs and swole up. but hey here you are again, pouting.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 9:37 am to Rickdaddy4188
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and yet i see no mention of you wanting to come check yourself.
rick...quit trying to find a date on TD.
#ourlineshavebeenguardheavyalittle
Posted on 4/19/18 at 9:54 am to RedTigerRulz
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ourlineshavebeenguardheavyalittle
never argued any different.
that doesnt mean our tackles have been shite
Posted on 4/19/18 at 9:56 am to Goldrush25
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Is the offense better? No
at least we are changing things to improve the offense. we now have a chance to improve it where miles had regressed to relying solely on RB's.
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Is the defense better?
you damn right it's better. miles had let chavis ruin our defense, esp the front 7. hiring Aranda and Orgeron almost saved his arse but he wouldn't fire his friend and change the offense.
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Are special teams better?
our downfield coverage was much better. as was our punting. the kickers failed but at least O is trying to improve that with a new signee.
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Is our win/loss record better? No
you are correct on this one. if he doesn't improve on this one he'll be gone just like miles was.
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Is recruiting better? No.
I think it is better. miles was a damn good recruiter based on an average star system for overall class rankings. better than Orgeron in that regard. but, miles neglected the front 7 until O was hired and he damn sure didn't sign an OL that could pass block. our sample size in this comparison is really just one year (orgeron was RC for a week or two before miles last class) and his saving last years class. yes, Orgeron miffed on some but so did Miles. Orgeron needs to have better back up plans.
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Show me all of these great things he's done since he's gotten here.
all he has done is "stop the bleeding" and improved both LOS. comparing Orgeron's first year with Miles best years is not fair nor valid. miles had let the program get to a point that many, many fans had had enough. the "great things" you refer to may still happen but the guy should have an adequate time to accomplish them.
regardless of what you say, the sky is not falling.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 12:26 pm to LSU GrandDad
Not planning on fighting, just going to post a few responses that I believe everyone agrees with:
Special teams is coming back to 'average'. It had been below average with the shanked punts and kickoffs to the 15 and out of bounds.
If you want to talk transfers too, Miles was able to get 2 starting QBs from the transfer side, O hasn't matched that either.
Everyone was frustrated with the offense by the end of Miles' tenure. O hasn't upgraded it, which we were told he was prioritizing when he was hired.
We're now a full season in + a long interim period, and we're just starting yet another system, one that is being designed by a guy who really didn't want the job and had stated that, and that nobody else in the country had been trying to get. This isn't encouraging.
quote:This might be true, but at least we've had RBs that you COULD rely on. We no longer do. If the QB situation doesn't pan out, we're potentially in a big world of hurt now.
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Is the offense better? No
at least we are changing things to improve the offense. we now have a chance to improve it where miles had regressed to relying solely on RB's.
quote:Defense did regress under Chavis' replacement, is rounding back into pre-Chavis form.
Is the defense better?
you damn right it's better. miles had let chavis ruin our defense, esp the front 7. hiring Aranda and Orgeron almost saved his arse but he wouldn't fire his friend and change the offense.
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Are special teams better?
our downfield coverage was much better. as was our punting. the kickers failed but at least O is trying to improve that with a new signee.
Special teams is coming back to 'average'. It had been below average with the shanked punts and kickoffs to the 15 and out of bounds.
quote:I'm going to agree with that. Recruiting seems to have dipped under O, which wasn't what we expected. Miles' only real recruiting deficiencies were at QB, and I haven't seen that upgraded yet.
Is recruiting better? No.
If you want to talk transfers too, Miles was able to get 2 starting QBs from the transfer side, O hasn't matched that either.
Everyone was frustrated with the offense by the end of Miles' tenure. O hasn't upgraded it, which we were told he was prioritizing when he was hired.
We're now a full season in + a long interim period, and we're just starting yet another system, one that is being designed by a guy who really didn't want the job and had stated that, and that nobody else in the country had been trying to get. This isn't encouraging.
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