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re: So no turning back, right?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:03 am to kbro
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:03 am to kbro
quote:
We wouldn't have gone down this road without a plan
Better hope so. I have an uneasy feeling this got too big for Alleva and the powers that be. Now it has a life of its own. Also worried it will scare off other coaches.
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:04 am to SoulGlo
quote:This is probably the post of the year.
The Rant created this. People bitching 24/7 got the local media to pay attention. Now the national drive-by sports media have picked up on it. They will swarm in, shoot up the place, then move the frick on down the road. LSU will be left to pick up the pieces, with a bunch of bullet holes all over the place. Won't be pretty at all.
Everybody said 9-3 or 8-4 record this season before Fournette got rolling with a healthy line and FBs. Now that we're exactly where we thought we'd be, everybody's bitching.
Yes, the offense is WAY too predictable. Yes, we have a gameplan that relies on physical domination, and get owned when a team can match up physically(Bama). Even weaker teams can see how to beat us but can't. The teams that aren't quite as big/strong/fast as us but can gameplan well enough beat us, sometimes soundly.
The man saw 9-6 as confirmation that his style works. Nothing that has occurred since has changed his mind. 1/9 emasculated him, and he has never recovered. He's bringing in top classes now to replace those who go to the NFL, and should have been given the chance to see it through. Fire him after next year.
Nope, that couldn't happen. Rantards are so panic stricken that we must fire the guy now, even without anybody really on the market to replace him. The ensuing dumpster fire is exactly what we deserve as spoiled fans.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:04 am to TigerJeff
So Plan B would be more of the same of the last 3 games, and SEC difficulties since 1/9/12?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:07 am to CarRamrod
Giving les another year will further bury this program in a deeper hole to recover from.
Next year is an opportunity for our next coach to re-establish this program's dominance, Les will only fail next year and our team will be in worse way going into 2017.
Next year is an opportunity for our next coach to re-establish this program's dominance, Les will only fail next year and our team will be in worse way going into 2017.
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 10:10 am
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:08 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
So, here we are - people who have never forgiven Miles for not being Saban finally get their wish.
I am surprised to see you write something so shallow and frankly ridiculous.
Miles has been here 11 seasons. He has shown exactly who he is and what he is capable of. The wheels are off and it's time for him to go. All it has to do with Saban is that Miles became a really rich man because he inherited a program set up for success and didn't ruin it.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:12 am to kbro
quote:
We wouldn't have gone down this road without a plan
we shall see soon enough.
Right after the aTm game either the new coach is announced or we just drove off a cliff.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:17 am to TigerJeff
quote:Are you living under a rock somewhere? the current LSU head coach has the winningest percentage in school history, or right at that, has 3 SEC titles in his decade here, 2 BCS title game appearances with one title. He has the team out to a 7-0 start with a #2 ranking in the only poll that matters, and the leading Heisman candidate. Program riding high, right? No, there was a definite "they BETTER win the next game (Bama)" atmosphere surrounding the program, and when that didn't happen, the entire universe tilted on it's axis. This coach can't do shite, doesn't know shite, is stuck in the 70's etc. Following the next loss (now 7-2, still ranked, and absolutely loaded with star sophomores who will return better than they are now), it's turned to WIN OUT OR ELSE, and a member of the board is quoted as saying that may not be enough; that if he DOES win out, "that complicates the decision".
What exactly is the "shitshow?" I honestly don't know what you're referring to.
Forget that it's LSU and your school, and review that above. Tell me it's not a shitshow.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:49 pm to SoulGlo
quote:
Everybody said 9-3 or 8-4 record this season before
Auburn tanked
realistically the only difference between this year and last year is that Auburn and Miss St took huge steps back. and we run a little better.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:10 pm to SoulGlo
quote:
The ensuing dumpster fire is exactly what we deserve as spoiled fans.
I would like it to be noted and remembered that YOU are on record saying that LSU deserves to be a dumpster fire. Next time you claim to be an LSU fan, I hope that people remind you of your negative thoughts. You are not the first to use this phrasing. Because I object to this attitude, I would like to use your post to voice my objection.
Here are my substantive thoughts on the situation at hand:
Coach Miles's poorly-coached football teams will no longer be tolerated.
Coach Miles is incapable of turning his poorly-coached teams into well-coached teams.
As a consequence of the above two points, Coach Miles's services are no longer required, and he will be replaced as soon as a worthy replacement can be hired.
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:14 pm to ChunkyLover54
quote:
This is a total shite show
Do you piss your pants when it thunders too?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:23 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
But, let's not pretend that any of this makes any sense
Ace, I believe that you are a career military man. You and I have seen MANY fine men relieved for cause from their commands, sometimes for things that the civilian world would consider minor.
Many kind, decent, God-fearing, amiable family men have been relieved for cause from their commands because their supervisor lost confidence in them.
This is what's happening to Coach Miles. The powers that be will no longer tolerate Coach Miles's poorly coached teams. They no longer are confident that Miles can turn his poorly coached team into a well-coached team. As such, Miles is relieved of his duties, effective upon hiring a worthy replacement.
That's how I see it, IMHO.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:28 pm to Scoob
quote:
Forget that it's LSU and your school, and review that above. Tell me it's not a shitshow.
IMHO, Scoob, it's not a shitshow. If the powers that be articulate a justifiable reasoning for this drastic action, it's not a "shitshow."
Here is the justifiable reason for this drastic action:
"Coach Miles's poorly-coached football teams will no longer be tolerated."
That's it. The powers that be should not equivocate or express vague reasoning for the move. The reason I quoted is clear, direct, unequivocal and does not invite opening a dialogue to discuss the various points of view. The time for all of that is passed.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 4:32 pm to Champagne
quote:Frankly, if you have named people on the board of directors (TAF board, etc- big money people) making statements that you need to evaluate the coach, and heavily imply that a change needs to happen (the 'if Miles wins out, it will complicate things' statement), during the regular season, then yes, it's a shitshow. You just don't go public with crap like that during the season, not unless you intend to make a move immediately. It's divisive, negative, distracting, and just totally counterproductive.
IMHO, Scoob, it's not a shitshow. If the powers that be articulate a justifiable reasoning for this drastic action, it's not a "shitshow."
You have just given the coach a public vote of no confidence going into a game. Then, well gee whiz, the team doesn't play well... no kidding, right? I mean, if you're going to open your mouth, then fire the guy. If you're not going to fire him, keep your mouth shut, and let the season play out with the best possible environment.
Let's play devil's advocate here- the statements get leaked, and the team instead goes on a big run (finish the season with massive blowout wins). The money guy then looks like an idiot; and Miles (who is near retirement) might just say the hell with this, I'm done. So you then have to go find another coach, and convince him somehow that if he comes here, the support will be better for him as he makes the changes necessary to implement his system (which may involve a step or 2 back). That's a hard sell, and there are other programs looking and willing to put up as much money.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 4:34 pm to ChunkyLover54
It's too late to turn back now...
I believe I believe I believe it's falling in line.
I believe I believe I believe it's falling in line.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 4:40 pm to Scoob
Despite anything that might have been rumored, Les Miles in fact had his chance to waltz into next year with a win at Ole Miss. Almost everybody, I believe, would have granted him the opportunity.
Instead, he failed miserably. Instead, CBS was laughing at him both during and around the broadcasts. Instead, we got an embarrassing set of downs with first and goal at the Ole Miss one. Instead, we got we would had come to expect from Les Miles.
Instead, he failed miserably. Instead, CBS was laughing at him both during and around the broadcasts. Instead, we got an embarrassing set of downs with first and goal at the Ole Miss one. Instead, we got we would had come to expect from Les Miles.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 4:58 pm to Scoob
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You just don't go public with crap like that during the season,
I wasn't aware of all of the facts regarding what went public via official sources and what was rumor.
The search for a worthy replacement may not be complete by the end of this calendar year. It may take up to a year to find a worthy replacement.
Coach Miles is the head coach of LSU football until he is formally notified of his relief. In the meantime, I suppose that a quiet search for his replacement is happening now.
I suppose that a nice quiet search can be accomplished.
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 11/25/15 at 6:01 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:You hail the Les Miles hire, but that wasn't certain at the time. Sure, he got OK State above .500, but his seasons weren't anything great. His biggest feats were upsetting some highly ranked Oklahoma teams, before Stoops established his reputation as a choke artist.
We were lucky to get Miles, to be honest.
In Miles' last season at OSU, he started out 5-0 before dropping 5 of his next 7 games to finish 7-5, including going down 33-0 in the Alamo Bowl before scoring a late TD to make the final 33-7 against Ohio State. Bringing that guy in was a good hire? Not to me, it wasn't.
Since Miles left, OSU has seen equal or better records than the Miles era under the OC that served under Miles, Coach Mike Gundy.
During all of the hires that you chronicled at LSU, we were never deemed a top job or program for any of them like we are today. Therefore, our past coaching searches aren't necessarily a reliable gauge on our potential for our next hire.
I give Miles credit for sustaining success for a while, but I think it's pretty obvious that he is under-performing at LSU with our talent, and any sensible coach out there should be able to recognize the potential available here.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:09 pm to Champagne
quote:I can't swear under oath that it's not just rumor, but there is a quote directly attributed to someone named Ronald Anderson, stated to be on the LSU Board of Supervisors, from a published interview
quote:
You just don't go public with crap like that during the season,
I wasn't aware of all of the facts regarding what went public via official sources and what was rumor
Quote: If he wins them both, that complicates it. That's my opinion. It's not just the number of losses, but the quality of the losses.
That statement was made in an interview prior to the Ole Miss game. So, coming out of the Arkansas game, the team is 7-2, and he's not as concerned with the record as the "quality" of the losses. That means the fact that LSU was blown out. Further, that fact that if Miles wins out, "that complicates it". What can be complicated by Miles winning out, other than removal? So you have someone on the Board of Supervisors saying (in so many words) that he wants the current coach out, in the middle of the seaon, and he was willing to go publicly and on record about it.
If I were a candidate and had another comparable position, I would look long and hard at my other options before I stepped into this situation. Because as goofy as we all think Miles is, he has a very good resume here, and he's about to get canned for it (and even if he survives, he's got the Board breathing down his neck).
The SEC is a tough conference, and someone coming in knows losses can happen. Blowouts can happen. Alabama can clean your clock if you're not ready, and sometimes if you are. A&M, Auburn, and Ole Miss play wide-open and things can get out of hand if you are in trouble defensively. You have to consider that when you consider the job, and to know that the Board isn't above midseason chatter, it's just not real appealing.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:47 pm to Scoob
quote:He does.
as goofy as we all think Miles is, he has a very good resume here
He was also the source of regular ridicule by the national sports media, fairly or unfairly, who are now circling the wagons to defend him, which is total bullshite.
The AU one-second-left TD win.
Clocking it against Ole Miss.
The untimed down against Tennessee.
Calling time outs coming out of a time out.
Attempting to call time with no time outs.
Single digit first downs, pass completions, crossing the 50 in complete games.
etc. etc. etc.
Les wasn't just lambasted for losses. He was lambasted for lopsided losses and freakish wins that shouldn't have been. That's no dirty laundry being aired that nobody knew about.. that's the result of national commentary that a lot of people, including LSU fans, are now trying to forget or ignore.
And let me stress, LSU does not need a change to appease the national media. LSU needs a change because people are fed up with the Les Miles product. And that's totally fair for LSU to decide.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:46 pm to LSUgusto
quote:We ridiculed him before the national media did; his Madonna headset, his hat, etc. We signaled that he was fair game, we would not be outraged by media picking on him. The media would not go after someone if they expected the team's fanbase would go apeshit.
He was also the source of regular ridicule by the national sports media, fairly or unfairly, who are now circling the wagons to defend him, which is total bullshite.
quote:1 sec left after the score. Would have been time for a FG. It was a win.
The AU one-second-left TD win.
quote:Irrelevant, time ran out. Wouldn't have counted no matter what. If there was 4 secs left, it's a good call. Also, the game had been a pretty comfortable Ole Miss win prior to the very strong comeback. We had no business being anywhere near a win in that game.
Clocking it against Ole Miss.
quote:Tennessee had 14 players on the field; it was their penalty. Also, kind of not considered- if the QB is looking for a seam before the snap, and there are 14 players on defense, there is likely not anywhere to go. And the ball was inside the 2, if I remember; so it wasn't that unbeleivable that we could score and win. And we won
The untimed down against Tennessee.
quote:This is overblown. You can find timeout errors in every coach's history.
Calling time outs coming out of a time out.
Attempting to call time with no time outs.
quote:If you're referring to the loss to Bama in the BCS title game, remember- that was in the BCS title game. There were 100+ teams that didn't get to that game; and LSU was the uncontested pick to be in that game. The team that won, Saban's team, was the controversial pick. So going into the game, Miles had the more successful season and team, including a head-to-head win on the road.
Single digit first downs, pass completions, crossing the 50 in complete games
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