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re: So Les Miles goes for a 57 yd field goal...
Posted on 12/2/13 at 1:29 pm to EarthwormJim
Posted on 12/2/13 at 1:29 pm to EarthwormJim
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Except the game.
Ridiculous.
Under those odds you take that gamble every single time. If one in a million comes up against you well that's the way life is. Sometimes lightning strikes and sometimes you win the Powerball too.
You refuse to even acknowledge how what occurred is so rare it's history making when it does.
No point in discussing it with you any further.
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Posted on 12/2/13 at 1:36 pm to Pennymoney
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That was absolutely the correct call.
The kid's longest FG was like 20 yards and he had tried two all fricking season.
Do a search for 57 yard FGs made this season in college football.
Saban has been a great college coach, but his decisions in this game are very hard to defend and those who try are only showing their retard traits.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 1:36 pm to Pennymoney
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You refuse to even acknowledge how what occurred is so rare it's history making when it does
It's rare because coaches don't put a kicker out there to attempt kicks out of his range to end the game.
I can make up my own odds just like your 1 in a million. It was 1 in a billion that the kicker with 2 kicks under his belt makes a walk off 57 yarder in college football. He would have made history as the least experienced kicker to hit a game winning 57 yarder.
Throw the hail mary in that situation, or actually try to get into field goal range that drive.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 1:41 pm to LSU Groupee
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Do a search for 57 yard FGs made this season in college football.
So he makes them in practice. He came pretty close so he's obviously capable.
It's not a question of whether he makes it or not. It's a question of what's the downside if he misses? Another one for the record books? 1 of 5 in history of the game?
This is so obvious it's laughable it's being debated.
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Posted on 12/2/13 at 1:45 pm to Pennymoney
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He came pretty close so he's obviously capable
He wasn't close.
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It's not a question of whether he makes it or not. It's a question of what's the downside if he misses? Another one for the record books? 1 of 5 in history of the game?
That's absurd. It is a question of whether he makes it or not, because it's a better gamble to take a shot at the endzone than a career long FG by 37 yards.
Less risk, same reward.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 1:50 pm to lindsfav
Saban isn't getting a free pass by any stretch of the imagination. Recognizing that Saban has won three crystal footballs in four years does not equate with Saban getting a pass. Saban has received a good deal of criticism and is getting it from some of the BAMA faithful. However, I think that the majority of their fanbase recognize that Saban has been right far more times when it mattered than he has been wrong when it mattered.
The fact that Miles hasn't had the same level of success would be why Miles would get criticized more. Miles has lost 3 of his last 4 bowl games and has had games like the one this year at Ole Miss. Whereas Saban has won all but 1 of his bowl games while at BAMA with three of those being for the national championship. That is the difference.
The fact that Miles hasn't had the same level of success would be why Miles would get criticized more. Miles has lost 3 of his last 4 bowl games and has had games like the one this year at Ole Miss. Whereas Saban has won all but 1 of his bowl games while at BAMA with three of those being for the national championship. That is the difference.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 1:56 pm to LSUnowhas2
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The fact that Miles hasn't had the same level of success would be why Miles would get criticized more. Miles has lost 3 of his last 4 bowl games and has had games like the one this year at Ole Miss. Whereas Saban has won all but 1 of his bowl games while at BAMA with three of those being for the national championship. That is the difference.
Les calls a fake on 4th and 12 that had no prayer of being made.
Saban calls for a low risk kick that has such a low chance of being run back it would make history if it did.
Look who's hoisting Crystal every couple of years and who's losing the Chick Fila Bowl and praying for a miracle to beat a 28 point underdog.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 1:58 pm to Pennymoney
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Les calls a fake on 4th and 12 that had no prayer of being made.
Saban calls for a low risk kick that has such a low chance of being run back it would make history if it did.
Look who's hoisting Crystal every couple of years and who's losing the Chick Fila Bowl and praying for a miracle to beat a 28 point underdog.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:00 pm to Pennymoney
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Saban calls for a low risk kick that has such a low chance of being run back it would make history if it did.
I love how you act like the return the way Auburn did it was the ONLY risk of that kick.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:02 pm to lindsfav
Les would have ran out the clock content with OT
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:02 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I love how you act like the return the way Auburn did it was the ONLY risk of that kick.
I don't. Look back at my earlier posts. Still low risk and you have to take that chance of not going into overtime.
It's a no brainer.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:03 pm to LSUnowhas2
LSU fans seems to be giving Saban a free pass.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:03 pm to Pennymoney
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Saban calls for a low risk kick that has such a low chance of being run back it would make history if it did.
You can say the same if he attempted a 70 yard FG, doesn't change the fact that it was a dumb call along with every call on that drive that lead to it.
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Les calls a fake on 4th and 12 that had no prayer of being made.
People convert more 4th and 12+ fakes than 57 yard walk off FGs in college.
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Look who's hoisting Crystal every couple of years and who's losing the Chick Fila Bowl and praying for a miracle to beat a 28 point underdog.
Has absolutely no bearing on how bad of a call it was for Saban to kick that FG.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:04 pm to Pennymoney
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Look back at my earlier posts. Still low risk and you have to take that chance of not going into overtime.
And that chance is a heave to the endzone, not a FG.
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It's a no brainer.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:06 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Les would have ran out the clock content with OT
Like Saban was trying to do.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:10 pm to Pennymoney
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So he makes them in practice
Really, that's what you are going with? It was lame with Saban said that and just as lame when you parrot him.
It was a blunder by Saban and not his only one in that game.
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It's a question of what's the downside if he misses?
How is losing the game, the west, the SEC, and the NC for downside?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:11 pm to Pennymoney
The coaching "book" on field goals changed and Saban didn't notice.
The rule has always been that a place kick is treated like a punt, where the offense can't advance a miss but the defense can. If the defense touches it, it becomes a live ball. See the Leon Lett Thanksgiving gift to the Dolphins 20 years ago.
When Devan Hester got to the Bears, then head coach Lovie Smith approved him staying back for these kicks. Several have been run back in the NFL, with Hester doing it more than once. Very rarely has such a return been stopped, because offensive lineman aren't the best tacklers. All the returner has to do is show one direction for about 10 yards and then cut to the other. Everyone on the kicking team will be leaning the wrong way, and the lane will open up.
College coaches didn't initially pick up on the trend, but eventually it happened. That's why OBJ was back for the one against UAB. Saban, who had do have seen the OBJ return on game tape, should have known that the likelihood of making the kick was less than 25% (regardless of the kicker's talent), but if it was fielded, it would be taken to the house.
I have never seen a Hail Mary attempt picked off and run back for a touchdown. Too many offensive players would have a chance at the tackle before the returner gets a good run going. Additionally, a higher percentage of offensive players are fast guys compared to the field goal units.
Yet everyone who has routinely watched football knew that the FG return was a distinct possibility as soon as the teams lined up.
If you aren't playing for OT, the safer play would have been the Hail Mary.
GEAUX TIGERS
The rule has always been that a place kick is treated like a punt, where the offense can't advance a miss but the defense can. If the defense touches it, it becomes a live ball. See the Leon Lett Thanksgiving gift to the Dolphins 20 years ago.
When Devan Hester got to the Bears, then head coach Lovie Smith approved him staying back for these kicks. Several have been run back in the NFL, with Hester doing it more than once. Very rarely has such a return been stopped, because offensive lineman aren't the best tacklers. All the returner has to do is show one direction for about 10 yards and then cut to the other. Everyone on the kicking team will be leaning the wrong way, and the lane will open up.
College coaches didn't initially pick up on the trend, but eventually it happened. That's why OBJ was back for the one against UAB. Saban, who had do have seen the OBJ return on game tape, should have known that the likelihood of making the kick was less than 25% (regardless of the kicker's talent), but if it was fielded, it would be taken to the house.
I have never seen a Hail Mary attempt picked off and run back for a touchdown. Too many offensive players would have a chance at the tackle before the returner gets a good run going. Additionally, a higher percentage of offensive players are fast guys compared to the field goal units.
Yet everyone who has routinely watched football knew that the FG return was a distinct possibility as soon as the teams lined up.
If you aren't playing for OT, the safer play would have been the Hail Mary.
GEAUX TIGERS
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:14 pm to Pennymoney
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The odds of a block are pretty low. Even if they do block it the odds the other team will recover are low. And even if they do recover the odds of them running it all the way back are even lower.
Okay, what are these odds and what do you think are acceptably "low risk" odds which costitute the difference between LOSING a game with one second left or going into overtime?
You just keep saying, low risk, low risk, low risk. I just see two big downsides to the choice to kick (a block returned, or a return the way it happened), and I'm not sure for such a long low trajectory kick, it's necessarily a "no brainer" "low risk" choice.
The point comparing Miles and Saban is silly, and I'm not getting into or addressing that. I'm simply looking at this standing alone, and don't think your argument is convincing, unless you acan actually articulate the odds.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:17 pm to lindsfav
How is this awful thread still going on?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 2:17 pm to Thorny
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the safer play would have been the Hail Mary.
Safer doesn't make it a blunder.
If it's a trend that's was eventually been picked up how come it's so rare?
It doesn't make it any more likely lighting will strike.
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