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re: So first there were the CO-DCs....
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:49 pm to Fat Bastard
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:49 pm to Fat Bastard
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go back and watch games. crowton's formations were too much for JJ
Crowton is in canada so i guess every player he has coached has been too much for them.
I can go back and watch games and i clearly stated what the main diff is. The substitution packages, the getting the plays in too late and this year running the option.
The offense was catered around JJ. Now it is catered for Mett. Completely diff offenses.
But crowton tried to run the same offense at MD. His qb was the frosh acc player of the year, and guess what? He was sitting on th ebench by mid season and crowotn royally fricked him. He went to running the option and ended up starting another qb. Well MD sucked last season and crowotn got canned after one year.
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:04 pm to Choctaw
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cause the shite they did this year was the stuff people were complaining about us not doing last year
On game we played a great offensive scheme and that was bama. All the others we were the same type of team offensively we have been for 3 years. Run some damn misdirection runs, rb screens, something to "fool" the defense for a change. I still saw an offense that for the most part was extremely predictable in what it was going to do. The 2nd and 3rd down passes with 2 yards to gain late in 4th quarter are fricking retarded. Anyone that knows football and the type of team LSU prides itself on will agree. We did the same thing against A&M.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:12 pm to dgnx6
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I can go back and watch games and i clearly stated what the main diff is.
we did not run BO ball like we do now until we started in 2010. That was all MILES. You think we used all those formations that confused JJ in 2009 these last 3 years? Just because we ran in 07 and 08 and 09 did not make the style BO ball.
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The offense was catered around JJ. Now it is catered for Mett. Completely diff offenses.
you are clueless. it is all still based on running between the tackles most of the time with very little creativity in the passing game. BO BALL. Miles admitted he was going to this after being upset with crowton in 2009.
wait, you telling me there is a huge difference in style from last year to this year?OMG.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:14 pm to Topwater Trout
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All the others we were the same type of team offensively we have been for 3 years.
no it wasn't. we actually ran the same scheme against bama....it was just executed much better and the play calling was better
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:16 pm to CptBengal
quote:B.S. drivel from a hater.
We get rid of Crowton, but nothing changes. Why does nothing change?
2011 O was leaps and bounds ahead of 2010 and was top ten in margin of victory in all of FBS.
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What is the commonality on offense? Answer these questions and you have identified the problem.
'11 was the #2 all time LSU team for rushing and passing TDs, just behind Miles '07 team.
'07
'11
'06
'03
'08
Name the one commonality that exists over #1, 2, 3 and 5.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:16 pm to Fat Bastard
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you are clueless. it is all still based on running between the tackles most of the time with very little creativity in the passing game. BO BALL. Miles admitted he was going to this after being upset with crowton in 2009.
we passed the ball more on first down this year the we have since probably '06
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:17 pm to TheDoc
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is there any doubt that LSU has "CO-OC's"?
they just arent labeled as such
yeah, they are labeled as OC/OL and HC
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:19 pm to Choctaw
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we passed the ball more on first down this year the we have since probably '06
I'd like to see that link.
and if so..... most were what? curls and slants. very predictable. we went through this also earlier in the year.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:22 pm to Fat Bastard
i don't really care....if you can't see the difference between now and when Crowton was here than whatever.
ETA: i know the offense sucked btw
ETA: i know the offense sucked btw
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:22 pm to Mayhawman
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2011 O was leaps and bounds ahead of 2010 and was top ten in margin of victory in all of FBS.
uh huh and do you realize the DEFENSE and SPECIAL TEAMS scored a boatload of points last year?????
and the DEFENSE and ST also gave us SHORT FIELDS to work with?
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'11 was the #2 all time LSU team for rushing and passing TDs, just behind Miles '07 team.
what was the offensive rank yardage wise? exactly.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:26 pm to dgnx6
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there is no helping this dude. He is just trolling and is completely stating bullshite then when hes called out about it says we are happy with losing and being second best.
I think Trevor Mattich said it best last night. What Bama is doing is impressive. Talent in college football is spread out all over the country now. Every team plays on TV now a days. Every one but LSU fans realize other teams are just as if not more talented than the tigers. Even with sabans two best teams ever, he couldnt go undefeated.
Every team endures the same problems LSU has to an extent. Some people keep blaming personnel, illness, drugs, scheduling, refs, time of game, etc.. whatever they can.
The offensive problem is glaring and it's pretty obvious it needs to be fixed. The Miles fan club really needs to stop making excuses and just deal with the reality here.
What's probably bizarre to y'all is those who advocate change want Miles and LSU to succeed. If we didn't, we wouldn't want change.
Realizing, and advocating change isn't "negative" and is pro Miles/pro LSU. Everyone but a few extreme misguided loyalists to the HC realize some change is necessary.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:32 pm to Choctaw
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no it wasn't. we actually ran the same scheme against bama....it was just executed much better and the play calling was better
Negative. We run the same off tackle runs with Ware, Hilliard, and Hill. Run predominantly outside with Ford. We are predictable as hell. How can you not see that?
You have ex-players that do the play by play saying LSU runs the same 2 man routes over and over as late as the A&M game....yet you are going to sit here and say the offense was different.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:35 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:Yea that explains #2 all time in Offensive TDs.
uh huh and do you realize the DEFENSE and SPECIAL TEAMS scored a boatload of points last year?????
BTW, all good teams either score or are set up well by D and ST. This is a fact of football that shouldn't get by you.
quote:Prove your own point, and points are what win games, not yds.
what was the offensive rank yardage wise?
Sorry it doesn't fit your staff hating agenda.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:52 pm to Choctaw
The issue isn't the ratio of run vs pass. I think we can all acknowledge that LSU has aired it out this year. The problem is when these plays are run and out of what formations. LSU will freely move the ball down the field at times only to get ultra conservative near the redzone and have the drive stall. At the end of the drive you get an even mix of run vs. pass, but it really wasn't an effective use because you come away with 3 points.
LSU was well below the national average in producing touchdowns when in the redzone and all year I saw an offense that could move the ball only to sputter when it counted most. Sometimes due to execution and a lot of times due to the playcalling turning conservative. There were some rare times when the playcalling was inexplicably bizarre in the redzone. It's as if they wanted to try something different but couldn't quite nail down what that is, e.g. the Florida game and the Mcgee pass debacle.
During the South Carolina game the announcer stated on one drive that Miles wasn't even going to try to score a touchdown. The inference there made because of the type of playcalling. What was the end result? The game was closer in score than it should have been.
During the SECCG Gary Danielson remarked at how Alabama can be effective running the ball at times out of the spread formation. Obviously it allows them to stretch the defense. LSU doesn't do this. Everyone knows when they are going to run the ball. You can recognize the formation. They jam everyone in there and run right into the teeth of the defense.
The ratio is fine. Just disguise what you are going to run by being unpredictable in terms of formation and timing. Timing in regards to down and distance and in regards to location on the field. Do it in a way that makes sense. Also, don't get totally conservative in the redzone. For inspiration look at Alabama's TD pass that caught ND napping. Oh, and get a real OC. That is all.
LSU was well below the national average in producing touchdowns when in the redzone and all year I saw an offense that could move the ball only to sputter when it counted most. Sometimes due to execution and a lot of times due to the playcalling turning conservative. There were some rare times when the playcalling was inexplicably bizarre in the redzone. It's as if they wanted to try something different but couldn't quite nail down what that is, e.g. the Florida game and the Mcgee pass debacle.
During the South Carolina game the announcer stated on one drive that Miles wasn't even going to try to score a touchdown. The inference there made because of the type of playcalling. What was the end result? The game was closer in score than it should have been.
During the SECCG Gary Danielson remarked at how Alabama can be effective running the ball at times out of the spread formation. Obviously it allows them to stretch the defense. LSU doesn't do this. Everyone knows when they are going to run the ball. You can recognize the formation. They jam everyone in there and run right into the teeth of the defense.
The ratio is fine. Just disguise what you are going to run by being unpredictable in terms of formation and timing. Timing in regards to down and distance and in regards to location on the field. Do it in a way that makes sense. Also, don't get totally conservative in the redzone. For inspiration look at Alabama's TD pass that caught ND napping. Oh, and get a real OC. That is all.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:55 pm to keeper05
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Alabama can be effective running the ball at times out of the spread formation. Obviously it allows them to stretch the defense. LSU doesn't do this.
Post more please. For some reason LSU coaches must think doing this must be illegal or cheating.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:55 pm to CptBengal
Jimbo and Miles would fight constantly over play calling in game. FACT.
Miles overrode Crowton's call in game. FACT.
I know these statements are true and don't care if you believe them. To those who do: that's the real life answer to the OP's question.
Miles overrode Crowton's call in game. FACT.
I know these statements are true and don't care if you believe them. To those who do: that's the real life answer to the OP's question.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:58 pm to theunknownknight
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Miles overrode Crowton's call in game. FACT.
Crowton had a history of having a great first year and then turning everything to shite in the following years. That was just a bad match at lsu.
How do you know its fact that jimbo and les fought over plays?
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:59 pm to BeeFense5
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How do you know its fact that jimbo and les fought over plays?
I thought it was a well known fact
From the very first game in the first quarter Jimbo shouts to a fellow staff member, "why can't I run my fricking offense?" Crowton of course when he got to Maryland threw Les under the bus as well.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:45 pm to Mudminnow
quote:Jimbo's O was as vanilla as any.
I thought it was a well known fact From the very first game in the first quarter Jimbo shouts to a fellow staff member, "why can't I run my fricking offense?"
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:47 pm to CptBengal
So you want a HC that is not involved in the offense or the defense?
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