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re: SI's Mandel is a smug prick.

Posted on 11/19/12 at 10:03 am to
Posted by DrSteveBrule
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/19/12 at 10:03 am to
And this is why I will always pull for the SEC in bowl games. No matter whether it's bama or florida. The media is dellusional to think that the SEC hasnt proven itself...
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8699 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 10:08 am to
I think that at least 75% of posters in this thread did not even read the article.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
48009 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 10:32 am to
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He's got a point.


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magildachunks


No...no he doesn't

Go look at Oregons schedule and get back with us....mmmmmm k?

Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 10:43 am to
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Bama has played 2 solid teams this entire season, got substantially outgained both times, went 1-1, and is in prime position to play in the National Championship.



This is correct and has no equity so he is correct.
Posted by JETigER
LSU 2011 National Champions
Member since Dec 2003
7081 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 10:47 am to
Doesn't Kansas State have 2, count them, 2 bye weeks. Last time I checked, the SEC teams only have 1 bye week.
Posted by Notoriouslycheesy
Lakeview
Member since Oct 2012
95 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 10:49 am to
How dumb can some of y'all be. If you read the entire article and think about what he is saying, he is making a great point while AGREEING with the SEC. All he is saying is that SEC makes a smart move scheduling conference games earlier in the season.

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Many in other parts of the country will lambast those SEC schools for scheduling nonconference lightweights in November. On the contrary, they should be commended for their genius.


Please read this quote and explain how he is bashing our conference?
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
9077 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:00 am to
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Did he mention that they only got there bc THEY had cupcake schedules and we were playing real competition all year?


Yea he did. He specifically mentioned that while Big Ten and PAC 12 teams were playing cupcakes early on Florida was playing SEC games in September and beating LSU in early Oct. And then LSU beat USCe the next week, setting the Alabama-LSU matchup which will once again propel the winner to the title game.

His point, which is very valid, is the SEC has realized that for purposes of the MNC it matters very much when you lose, the earlier the better. So it's very smart of SEC schools to stick one cupcake late in the season to get a virtual bye during the late season grind as opposed to other conferences who load up on cupcakes early, he calls out Oregon for playing Tennessee Tech, and then inevitably see their teams stumble when having to play 7 or 8 conference games in a row

ETA: This thread is a perfect example of why you should always read articles posted on the rant and not just read a rantards summary bc you forget that about 40% of this board can't read.
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 11:04 am
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
7126 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:02 am to
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I think that at least 75% of posters in this thread did not even read the article.




He did exactly what he set out to do. Bash the SEC without bashing the SEC. Put in just enough counterargument to justify it.

He jumped on the Rick Neuhiesel train. Rick brings it up everyday on Sirius 91. The argument has changed over the years to rationalize the SEC's success. Now the argument is that the SEC is "pure genius" by scheduling cupcakes late in the year. It's as though Slive played a part in Kansas State's defense getting shredded by Baylor.

"Many in other parts of the country will lambast those SEC schools for scheduling nonconference lightweights in November. On the contrary they should be commended for their genius."

In other words, its not that the SEC is actually earning their success on the field so much as it is their scheming to gain an advantage over everybody else.

Posted by Joe
North Jersey
Member since Jan 2005
6342 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:08 am to
Pretty sure he says that everyone plays cupcake games....he was commending the SEC for scheduling them LATE in the season instead of early. He said its smarter.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
9077 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:19 am to
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In other words, its not that the SEC is actually earning their success on the field so much as it is their scheming to gain an advantage over everybody else


The SEC has earned their success on the field the past 7 or 8 years and it's that reputation along with convenient scheduling that's gotten the SEC teams their current rankings. Think about it, this year what are the SEC's best OOC wins? LSU over Washington and Bama over Michigan? Good wins but hardly statements of conference superiority in and of themselves. In addition, due to a combination of luck and late season scheduling of cupcakes the only SEC games between the power six teams in the last 3 weeks of the season was AM-Bama. Now there are two big OOC games, USCe vs Clemson and Florida vs FSU. I'd be prepared to get mad after those two games as I think there's a decent chance both SEC teams lose and then you might some actual articles questioning the SEC. But this article isn't one of them
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:24 am to
Navy, Miami, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Wake Forest, Purdue. There's half of the 2012 schedule of the team touted by most pundits as having a "truly difficult schedule." Mandel's a moron.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:25 am to
Then bash the op! Not posters who believed him. It's Monday of a holiday week. Most of us are busier than busy and u expect us to read every link?
frick that. Ban the op. It's sounds as if he didn't read it before posting.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:25 am to
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In other words, its not that the SEC is actually earning their success on the field so much as it is their scheming to gain an advantage over everybody else.

There would be a valid point in there f the SEC BCSCG representative wasn't beating every team they've faced. Just because you get to the BCSCG by whatever means, easy scheduling, etc..., doesn't mean you're going to actually WIN the game.

These talking heads would have a point if the SEC sent a team and LOST every year. Otherwise they're just finding whatever they can to cut down on the SEC, and shite is getting weak.

Is there a single SEC team that made it to the BCSCG that didn't deserve to be there? No, they've proven they belong by winning - every time.
Posted by RBWilliams8
Member since Oct 2009
54029 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:33 am to
I get that. But look, when we play OCC games, most of the time, they get throttled. The close wins in the SEC vs the rapings we give OCC should account for something.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
7126 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:39 am to
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tigerfan88



In general I agree with you, but that is not how others around the country will perceive that article. From oversigning to scheduling, there MUST be a way to rationalize the SEC's unprecedented success, and this article provides that.

What you say about the SEC's schedule is correct regarding the sporadic marquee games, however it is no different than any other conference - and the fact that those sprinkling of marquee games are versus typically the top 3 - 5 teams in the country is why SEC schedules are actually tougher.

For example, someone said earlier that Bama will be going 1-1 versus the only decent teams they've played this year and have a shot at the NCG. Well, you could say the same about Oregon, and that's including what could end up being a 4 loss USC team. They played nobody up until that game. frick Bama BTW I hope they lose to Notre Dame, but Bama will have played Michigan, LSU at LSU, A&M, and Georgia in the SECCG. That's better than both Oregon's and Kansas State's schedules as a whole.


So the timing of a cupcake game is what tips the scales in the SEC's favor? Hardly.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10446 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:43 am to
I read the article now. He's partially right, but there's a reason that the SEC would schedule some cupcakes this past weekend. Rivalry weekend is next.

Bama-Auburn
UGA-GT
UF-FSU
USCe-Clemson

He can...

This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 11:53 am
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
7126 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:44 am to
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Then bash the op! Not posters who believed him. It's Monday of a holiday week. Most of us are busier than busy and u expect us to read every link?
frick that. Ban the op. It's sounds as if he didn't read it before posting.




It's one of those fence-riding, back-handed compliment articles. You could take it either way. The majority of people around the country will read it as the SEC setting themselves up to be in position at the end of the year due to the scheduling of one cupcake game in November. That might have contributed to the SEC's run, but that contribution was about 1/100.
Posted by Spandex Flamingo
Member since Nov 2012
142 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:44 am to
He's a smug prick because you disagree with him? Dudes just doing his job.
Posted by Dr. 3
Member since Mar 2005
11368 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:51 am to
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He's a smug prick because you disagree with him? Dudes just doing his job.



Not only that, but the article is a giant tip of the hat to the SEC without any sarcasm that I can see.

Some people like to be offended apparently.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
56338 posts
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:53 am to
He just doesn't want another all sec final and I don't want to see that either

Plus he knows he'll rile up the SEC fans and get bombarded with emails so he can post the next one to make you look like a fool
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