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re: Since 2007: LSU (2 SEC WC, 2 SECC, 1 NC), Bama (5 SEC WC, 3 SECC, 3 NC)
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:15 am to BeeFense5
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:15 am to BeeFense5
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You pretty much just obliterated nuts4lsu's argument with that post
There's a few more ways I could steer this debate too but don't feel the need; I literally took the easiest way out with the coaches comparison
Let his dumb arse continue, maybe one day he'll realize he was playing checkers while we were playing chess
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 1:25 am
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:20 am to SammyTiger
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I know in this point int he conversation you are probably rubbing your hands together thinking "i've got him"
No, it's more like "wow this guy spews so much crap trying to defend miles he's having a hard time remembering it all.
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There is an unfair treatment of the 2007 championship compared to every other championship.
It happens because the circumstances and events leading up to that game happening are different and more unlikely than every other championship game.
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Anyone who tries to diminish their own teams games is not a fan.
So accordingly, you are not a fan because you tried to diminish the 2003 championship earlier in this thread. Yes or no?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:22 am to SammyTiger
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so are you an LSU fan and a shitty one, or are you someone who cares more about knocking down Les Miles than their own school? You suck either way.
These means a lot coming from someone that attempted to diminish one of his team's championships in this thread.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:24 am to Open Your Eyes
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These means a lot coming from someone that attempted to diminish one of his team's championships in this thread.
So why are you doing it? What's your motivation for discrediting national championships. If you were fair, you would discredit the '03 title also but it's obvious why you won't touch that one but you will shite on '07.
That's why you shouldn't be taken serious.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 1:26 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:26 am to BeeFense5
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What? So thinking the most successful coach in school history shouldn't be fired and believing that my team will achieve success under the same coach again means that I am putting the coach ahead of the school? What the frick?
no, its posts like this one that do that
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:28 am to saintforlife1
Again,.....
The main problem that LSU fans have with Les Miles is that he's not Nick Saban
The main problem that LSU fans have with Les Miles is that he's not Nick Saban
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:31 am to Open Your Eyes
That post doesnt say what you are accusing me of at all.
I'm serious when I said it was probably a good time for him to leave because many lsu fans are shitty fans.
Not really seeing what you are saying.
You are calling me out for stating the obvious about lsu's shitty fans.
Might want to rethink the approach there chief
I'm serious when I said it was probably a good time for him to leave because many lsu fans are shitty fans.
Not really seeing what you are saying.
You are calling me out for stating the obvious about lsu's shitty fans.
Might want to rethink the approach there chief
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:33 am to BeeFense5
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So why are you doing it? What's your motivation for discrediting national championships. If you were fair, you would discredit the '03 title also but it's obvious why you won't touch that one but you will shite on '07.
I was asked why 2007 gets called lucky and 2003 doesn't. All I've done in this thread is explain why that is. The fact that you and your fellow pumpers are taking my answer to a question as a discredit, or that you can't accept facts as they are presented when they don't paint miles in a positive light, really isn't my problem.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:38 am to GeorgeReymond
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insinuating the idea that if Alabama was in our shoes, they would have already fired Miles.
Actually, I said he (or Saban) would be in trouble. Maybe fired, but maybe not. But definitely in trouble. Miles, on the other hand, is nowhere near in trouble, let alone being fired.
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Saban 83% Bryant 82% Thomas 81% Wade 81%
All higher than Miles, none with seven years that were the same as the last seven under Miles, so all irrelevant.
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Stallings 71%
The closest comparison to Miles. The winning percentage is artificially low because of eight wins and a tie forfeited in 1993. On the field, he was 70-16-1 (81%). Four SEC West titles, one SEC title and one national title, with the SECC and NC both in his third year (1992), averaged 10 wins a season. He left after seven years voluntarily, so we'll never know how long Alabama would have been satisfied with winning games but not championships. However, it was no secret that Spurrier's domination of the SEC from 1993 through 1996 was not being received well in Tuscaloosa, and Bama fans weren't crying when Stallings retired.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:39 am to NoOmega18
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Saban facing a coach using the same game plan that was used in the previous meeting was lucky too.
Are you talking about 1-9? Because I didn't see the same gameplan.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:43 am to Open Your Eyes
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So accordingly, you are not a fan because you tried to diminish the 2003 championship earlier in this thread. Yes or no?
I didn't attempt to diminish the 2003 team. I only pointed out the same thing that is supposed to diminish our 2007 championship could be said about many championships, and isn't. I then said so lets not say it.
Not you on the other hand are pretty clear you don't think the 2007 championship as good.
Is is because you are a shitty LSU fan or it is because you are fan of another team that cares more about Les Miles than your own team?
Either way you suck.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:45 am to Nuts4LSU
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 2:10 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:47 am to MF Doom
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les Miles winning a Natty with 2 losses makes him one of the luckiest coaches of all time
Were we the best team that year?
Now stfu
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:49 am to BeeFense5
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Miles actually won more with saban's players at lsu than he did.
This is a hopeless and futile argument to get into because you first have to decide how long into a coach's tenure the players are his and not his predecessor's. If the players were still Saban's in Miles' third year, then it stands to reason that they were DiNardo's in Saban's third year, so the only years with "Saban's" players were Saban's last two years and Miles' first three (which is still silly, but just illustrates the uselessness of this particular line of argument), in which case the records were practically identical (Saban 22-4, one SECC and NC, Miles 34-6, one SECC and NC).
Bottom line, Saban's championships belong to Saban and Miles' belong to Miles. The same is true of their records, but only an idiot would view those records in a vacuum with no consideration of the state of the program when they inherited it.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:51 am to SammyTiger
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I didn't attempt to diminish the 2003 team.
So is this one of those 'nah see what had happened was I was actually joking' moments then? Because if not your post on the first page clearly shows otherwise
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I only pointed out the same thing that is supposed to diminish our 2007 championship could be said about many championships,
Except no, no it couldn't.
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Not you on the other hand are pretty clear you don't think the 2007 championship as good.
You asked me why the 2007 season gets called lucky and the 2003 season doesn't. Like I told your fellow pumper, it's not my problem if you can't handle the factual answer to that question.
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Is is because you are a shitty LSU fan or it is because you are fan of another team that cares more about Les Miles than your own team? Either way you suck.
So, once again, you suck too right?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:56 am to Open Your Eyes
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So is this one of those 'nah see what had happened was I was actually joking' moments then? Because if not your post on the first page clearly shows otherwise
No. I said all teams that aren'y undefeated are in some way lucky. and the whole point was that it doesn't diminish them. You think it does and i don't.
You like quotes. Especially taking them out of context. Quote me where i say luck makes a champion less worthy.
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Except no, no it couldn't.
Yes it could. Any team that wasn't undefeated could be called lucky.
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You asked me why the 2007 season gets called lucky and the 2003 season doesn't. Like I told your fellow pumper, it's not my problem if you can't handle the factual answer to that question.
You told me why it is ok to shite on the 2007 championship. It was obviously lucky, but lots of teams get lucky in some way or another. You decided what is more or less lucky.
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So, once again, you suck too right?
Like i said. I never said the 2003 team was worth any less or that Nick Saban was less of a coach. I just said it was lucky. You imply that luck is a bad thing that makes a team less worthy. I see the same amount of trophys.
Both are great. But you would rather shite on miles than enjoy an accomplishment. You suck.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 2:02 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:57 am to Open Your Eyes
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why 2007 gets called lucky and 2003 doesn't
Another pointless line of argument. LSU was the best team in the nation both years and legitimately won the NC both years. Also, in both years, it took some other things happening to get us into the NC game. Yes, we needed West Virginia to be upset by Pitt in 2007. Contrary to popular legend, that was the only surprising result that helped us into the NC game, as Missouri was a decided underdog to Oklahoma, which had just throttled them a couple of weeks earlier, and no way was VT, the eventual #3 in BCS, going to be ranked ahead of a team that crushed them 48-7. Likewise, in 2003, a late-night Boise St.-Hawaii game tipped the SOS component of the BCS formula in our favor. Nevertheless, we were clearly the best team in the country both years, deserved to win, and DID win, the national championship both years.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:06 am to SammyTiger
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Any team that wasn't undefeated could be called lucky.
And even some that were. 2004 USC was lucky that OU finished undefeated and kept Auburn out of the NC game.
For the record, one of the luckiest national championships in history was Alabama's in 2011, and 2012 wasn't far behind it. You look at the upsets that had to happen for both of those, and they far eclipse WVU losing a rivalry game to Pitt.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:08 am to saintforlife1
People act like Bama won every game this year by 30 points ..they didn't.
The same critics that dropped an undefeated FSU team to #4 because of the close wins didn't take Bama's close wins into consideration.
Fate will catch up with them..it always does.
The same critics that dropped an undefeated FSU team to #4 because of the close wins didn't take Bama's close wins into consideration.
Fate will catch up with them..it always does.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:12 am to Nuts4LSU
Miles has been our coach since 2005. All wins & losses during that time have been his responsibility. Don't give me that "last seven" nonsense. If his record would have been 4-8 his first year you'd be the first to blame Miles, not Saban.
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