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re: Should Mainieri Make Any Changes To The Program?
Posted on 6/22/13 at 2:34 pm to MOT
Posted on 6/22/13 at 2:34 pm to MOT
If he's blaming the bats and the fences on LSU losing then yes.
I hate the turn the sport has taken just as much as anyone. But at the end of the day you still have to be disciplined at the plate and hit the top half of the baseball. The bats and the stadium dimensions had nothing to do with our inability to do that.
I hate the turn the sport has taken just as much as anyone. But at the end of the day you still have to be disciplined at the plate and hit the top half of the baseball. The bats and the stadium dimensions had nothing to do with our inability to do that.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 2:59 pm to MOT
As we've seen recently the "adjust!" crowd will not be swayed ... by anything.
Fortunately, it's so obvious to everyone else there's a problem that changes like the minor league ball are highly likely. Not sure how the "adjust!" crowd will rationalize the NCAA changing what they see as so perfect now, but they'll find a way.
Fortunately, it's so obvious to everyone else there's a problem that changes like the minor league ball are highly likely. Not sure how the "adjust!" crowd will rationalize the NCAA changing what they see as so perfect now, but they'll find a way.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:07 pm to Thunder Tiger
So you want to lose for the sake of being stubborn?
Are you legitimately retarded?
Are you legitimately retarded?
Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:12 pm to MontanaTiger
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Or is the program fine the way it is,
Nothing wrong with the program that better fielding and timely hitting wouldn't cure.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:17 pm to CottonWasKing
quote:What the frick are you talking about?
So you want to lose for the sake of being stubborn?
Are you legitimately retarded?
Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:21 pm to Thunder Tiger
quote:
As we've seen recently the "adjust!" crowd will not be swayed ... by anything. Fortunately, it's so obvious to everyone else there's a problem that changes like the minor league ball are highly likely. Not sure how the "adjust!" crowd will rationalize the NCAA changing what they see as so perfect now, but they'll find a way.
This asinine post of yours. People are saying adjust because they want to win. You seem content to just wait until the NCAA fixes the problem for you.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:23 pm to Thunder Tiger
quote:
As we've seen recently the "adjust!" crowd will not be swayed ... by anything. Fortunately, it's so obvious to everyone else there's a problem that changes like the minor league ball are highly likely. Not sure how the "adjust!" crowd will rationalize the NCAA changing what they see as so perfect now, but they'll find a way.
This asinine post of yours. People are saying adjust because they want to win. You seem content to just wait until the NCAA fixes the problem for you.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:26 pm to CottonWasKing
quote:Called strikes don't do any more good than pop flys.
layoff on the fastballs out of the zone
quote:Based on the number we laid off of that were called strikes (all of them), I'd guess not many.
Id love to see a number on how many of our pop ups wouldve been a ball if we had layed off.
quote:So you don't see 4 extra runs for us (just from the homers-that-weren't) making a difference in the UCLA game? You might want to check your math on that one.
We didn't lose because of the new bats or the bigger field
quote:I see. So if the NCAA suddenly decides to ban passing the week before a National Championship Game between a triple-option team and an air raid team, you don't see that has having any impact on the outcome of the game because everyone has to play by the same rule? Interesting.
UCLA. And UNC played on the same field we did



Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:34 pm to MontanaTiger
Unless there is a change in equipment(bats and balls)timely hitting will always win out(which we were not able to do in omaha this year). Ameritrade ballpark gives teams who excel at small ball an advantage.
I wish we would go to wood bats and the minor league baseball...
I wish we would go to wood bats and the minor league baseball...
Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:43 pm to King Joey
See the thing with strikes is you get 3 of them. You typically only get one popup.
I'm way more concerned with the multitude of runners left on base than I am about 3 long fly balls.
And we're talking about baseball not football. two completely different sports. You can't compare them quit trying. And relying on homeruns to win ball games in ANY park in this day and age is foolish. 2009 you could do that. You can't now or you will lose. Everyone needs to face the fact that LSU didn't play well enough to win. Period. You don't win ball games by committing errors and not getting production from the middle of the order. You just don't.
I hate the way the game is played now. It's boring as frick. So bitch about it being boring. Bitch about it turning into softball. But wake up and realize that it didn't keep us from winning.
I'm way more concerned with the multitude of runners left on base than I am about 3 long fly balls.
And we're talking about baseball not football. two completely different sports. You can't compare them quit trying. And relying on homeruns to win ball games in ANY park in this day and age is foolish. 2009 you could do that. You can't now or you will lose. Everyone needs to face the fact that LSU didn't play well enough to win. Period. You don't win ball games by committing errors and not getting production from the middle of the order. You just don't.
I hate the way the game is played now. It's boring as frick. So bitch about it being boring. Bitch about it turning into softball. But wake up and realize that it didn't keep us from winning.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:58 pm to drizztiger
BUT LSU PASSES THE EYEBALL TEST!!
WE SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN ALLOWED TO PLAY IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. AAAHHHHHHHHHHH
WE SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN ALLOWED TO PLAY IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. AAAHHHHHHHHHHH
Posted on 6/22/13 at 3:59 pm to CottonWasKing
quote:Yes. And then you are out. Exactly the same as if you hit a long, 400 foot fly out (with the exception that the long fly out has the theoretical possibility of allowing a baserunner to tag up).
See the thing with strikes is you get 3 of them
quote:Well, if LSU was "relying on homeruns to win ball games", then that you are absolutely wrong because it worked outstandingly well in every single ballpark we played in except one.
And relying on homeruns to win ball games in ANY park in this day and age is foolish.
quote:We lost by one run. We had at least 4 runs that should have been scored that weren't ENTIRELY because of the bat/ball/field combination. UCLA's pitcher gave up 5 or 6 400+ foot blasts; that's not even remotely an impressive pitching performance against any team. And yet, under these specific, unique and inexplicable set of conditions carefully crafted to produce exactly this result, it's a "masterful performance". Could we have done better and won? Of course. But that is ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT to the fact we are pointing out: our performance -- exactly as we did -- was good enough to win in any set of circumstances that are not inexcusably unreasonable. If you play well enough to win a game played under any conditions not unfairly and deliberately contrived to make your performance unsuccessful, then that is not a problem with your performance. That is a problem with the sport, or (in this case) the system under which the sport is administered.
But wake up and realize that it didn't keep us from winning.
The fact we could have won does not change the fact that ridiculous overreactions and absurd field dimensions also contributed to our loss. And it doesn't make someone a "whiner" for pointing that out.



Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:10 pm to King Joey
It makes you shiner when you look in every baseball thread and you see"wah wah wah move the fences in and we win wah wah wah the bats cost us blah blah blah"
Did we get any luck in Omaha? no we did not. The great teams, the championship teams find a way to win. Committing costly errors and your 3,5 and 6 guys going 0-24 is not a sign of a championship team. Remember you said that we lost by one run. How many runs did bregmans error cost us? How many runners did the heart of our batting order leave sitting on 2nd?
An we haven't relied on the homerun all year. That's precisely my point. We didn't rely on them all year so why would we in a bigger stadium in Omaha? We needed hard line drives through the infield and gappers to the outfield with runners on base. We didn't get those.
LSU fans have a very bad habit of blaming everything in sight on a loss instead of understanding that we just didn't play well enough to win. If we did we wouldve won
Did we get any luck in Omaha? no we did not. The great teams, the championship teams find a way to win. Committing costly errors and your 3,5 and 6 guys going 0-24 is not a sign of a championship team. Remember you said that we lost by one run. How many runs did bregmans error cost us? How many runners did the heart of our batting order leave sitting on 2nd?
An we haven't relied on the homerun all year. That's precisely my point. We didn't rely on them all year so why would we in a bigger stadium in Omaha? We needed hard line drives through the infield and gappers to the outfield with runners on base. We didn't get those.
LSU fans have a very bad habit of blaming everything in sight on a loss instead of understanding that we just didn't play well enough to win. If we did we wouldve won
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:12 pm to CottonWasKing
Teams should not have to "adjust" to almost exclusive hyper small ball at the CWS, anymore than the teams of the late 90s should've simply been told to adjust to pure gorilla ball. Particularly when teams could emphasize one, or the other, or a mix of both, during the regular season.
Objective people far more knowledgeable than you (like Peterson, Leggett, Shatel) appear to agree as they've all advocated changes to increase ball distance, and the NCAA is seriously considering those very changes. These people, and the NCAA, are not just yelling "adjust!", or "the conditions are the same for everyone!"
Of course I wanted LSU to win however they could, and they had their chances despite the bats and the park. But simply because a team could win in these conditions does not mean there is not a problem to fix, just as all teams could win in the gorilla ball days.
Oh, and frick you.
Objective people far more knowledgeable than you (like Peterson, Leggett, Shatel) appear to agree as they've all advocated changes to increase ball distance, and the NCAA is seriously considering those very changes. These people, and the NCAA, are not just yelling "adjust!", or "the conditions are the same for everyone!"
Of course I wanted LSU to win however they could, and they had their chances despite the bats and the park. But simply because a team could win in these conditions does not mean there is not a problem to fix, just as all teams could win in the gorilla ball days.
Oh, and frick you.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:15 pm to CottonWasKing
If TD Ameritrade is going to continue to play as big as it currently does, I would consider moving the fences at the Box out to be more in line with what they'll see in Omaha. I realize this may cost LSU some games during the regular season, but I think it would give the players the experience needed to realize they can't hit the ball out of that park. Just my $.02.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:19 pm to Thunder Tiger
Please point me to the post where I said I wanted everything to say just like it is right now........ Don't worry I'll wait.
As a matter of fact I've stated at least twice that I hate what the CWS has become. That makes the third time. Could I make it any clearer for you?
My point is that y'all are either intentionally overlooking the number of runners we left on base or you're so god damn deluded that you absolutely have to blame the loss on someone else.
Those 4 runs are insignificant if we get just one gap shot with a runner on second. You know the kind of ball we've been playing all year. We put ourselves in position to win both of those games and we couldn't get it done and that has nothing to do with the bats, balls or fence.
As a matter of fact I've stated at least twice that I hate what the CWS has become. That makes the third time. Could I make it any clearer for you?
My point is that y'all are either intentionally overlooking the number of runners we left on base or you're so god damn deluded that you absolutely have to blame the loss on someone else.
Those 4 runs are insignificant if we get just one gap shot with a runner on second. You know the kind of ball we've been playing all year. We put ourselves in position to win both of those games and we couldn't get it done and that has nothing to do with the bats, balls or fence.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:31 pm to CottonWasKing
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Please point me to the post where I said I wanted everything to say just like it is right now........ Don't worry I'll wait.
People need to speak up about the current imbalance to try to promote change, like Peterson and others have. Simply saying "adjust" is as good as advocating the status quo.
Any why don't you please point me to the post where I said we did not have a chance to win despite these conditions?
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:37 pm to Thunder Tiger
I've done my fair share of bitching about the subject but what I will not do is blame LSU's 2&q on the those factors.
I'm not even really saying "adjust" we didn't need to adjust. We needed to play the game we've played all year. But we didn't and THAT'S why we lost.
I'm not even really saying "adjust" we didn't need to adjust. We needed to play the game we've played all year. But we didn't and THAT'S why we lost.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:41 pm to CottonWasKing
Cotton, watch out, what you said is absolutely true and you're right in every point that you've made. Every team had to play under the same conditions as LSU. LSU just could not take care of business. The two of us will be called every name in the book since we make sense. Blaming the field, the bats and other things are stupid. Every team uses the same bats, plays on the same field in Omaha. LSU lost because we played against a better team than LSU was at the time.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:46 pm to CottonWasKing
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I'm not even really saying "adjust" we didn't need to adjust. We needed to play the game we've played all year. But we didn't and THAT'S why we lost.
I disagree with this. Against UCLA, we would've been up 4-0 early in that game if it was played anywhere else. I think you're underestimating the mindset of these players. It's easy to say "just layoff the high stuff." But they didn't have to layoff those pitches all year long. And when Ibarra squared up the pitches he squared up in that game in the regular season, they left the yard. It's basic positive reinforcement. The habit isn't easy to break no matter how much they practiced it the week before the World Series.
This post was edited on 6/22/13 at 4:47 pm
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