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re: Should having a degree from LSU be required to be in the LSU HOF?
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:00 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:00 pm to ProjectP2294
It is absurd...just another one of those "Boy Scout" rules LSU administrators can come up with to keep the myth of the student/athlete alive.
The only person in LSU athletic administration who really understand LSU is Sam Nader. The rest of them are a bunch of transplant Yankees down here to correct us on our errant ways...
To keep Maravich and PP7 out is mind boggling!
The only person in LSU athletic administration who really understand LSU is Sam Nader. The rest of them are a bunch of transplant Yankees down here to correct us on our errant ways...
To keep Maravich and PP7 out is mind boggling!
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Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:07 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I haven't been to the HOF in probably 15 years but last time I was there Maravich's jersey was on the wall in a frame.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:10 pm to LagdonCG
I can say this, that Hall of Fame isn't going to be adding many players with the way things are these days.
If you're good enough to make the HOF, you probably went pro after your 3rd year to avoid injury.
A few Mettenberger types (he basically had to finish his degree with all his transfers) will be able to make it though, but that will be very rare.
If you're good enough to make the HOF, you probably went pro after your 3rd year to avoid injury.
A few Mettenberger types (he basically had to finish his degree with all his transfers) will be able to make it though, but that will be very rare.
This post was edited on 10/10/13 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:12 pm to LagdonCG
It's a Sports Hall of Fame right? not an alumni hall of fame or an academic hall of fame.
Making it mandatory to have a degree IMO is dumb. Plain and simple. It detracts from the hall of fame and minimizes the significant contribution some of these outstanding athletes have made and that have not only graced this university but also helped put it on the map and keep it there. (And for all you English majors....yes that is a run on sentence.)
At one time I can understand the whole finishing your degree rule, however the market calls for outstanding student athletes to leave school early and capitalize on maximizing their earning potential. It's become a business decision.
The rule should be amended.
Making it mandatory to have a degree IMO is dumb. Plain and simple. It detracts from the hall of fame and minimizes the significant contribution some of these outstanding athletes have made and that have not only graced this university but also helped put it on the map and keep it there. (And for all you English majors....yes that is a run on sentence.)
At one time I can understand the whole finishing your degree rule, however the market calls for outstanding student athletes to leave school early and capitalize on maximizing their earning potential. It's become a business decision.
The rule should be amended.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Dumb rule. So we're not gonna celebrate people because they were so successful they didn't need to get a degree?
I'm sure they have no problem taking donations from those same folks.
I'm sure they have no problem taking donations from those same folks.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
No, because times have changed and there is no need for Pat to graduate as he will be set for life.
I know I'm in the minority but that's how I feel. I see the other side of it but I just disagree.
I know I'm in the minority but that's how I feel. I see the other side of it but I just disagree.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:43 pm to Emergent C Steve
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Crowe Peele
Could still whip someone's arse at 80+ yrs old
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:43 pm to Wayne Campbell
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Not trying to speak ill of the dead or anything, but he had been out of school for 18 years and retired for 8 when he died. If anything, there is nothing to say he had any intentions of finishing his degree.
This, and during his time at LSU, he was notoriously apathetic towards school.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:44 pm to Wayne Campbell
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Not trying to speak ill of the dead or anything, but he had been out of school for 18 years and retired for 8 when he died. If anything, there is nothing to say he had any intentions of finishing his degree
Very true regarding years out of school and retired from the game. Do you have any kids Mr. Campbell? Pete was raising his family when he died, maybe his intentions were to spend as much time raising his family before they were out of the house and then go back and get his degree. Who knows what his intentions were, the point of the matter was he did not live long enough for anyone to decide what his intentions were or were not. He died when he was 41, there are millions of individuals that went back to school and got their degrees after they turned 41. That is the whole point no one knows what his intentions were, and since he died so young of all places LSU should give him the benefit of the doubt and inducted him into the HOF. I mean seriously how stupid does the school look you name a building after the man "Pete Maravich Assembly Center" where LSU plays basketball in the same sport that Pete played for LSU but you don't have him in the LSU HOF, that has got to be the most back-assword thing at LSU. On top of the fact when you think of LSU Basketball you think of three people Dale Brown, Shaq and Pete Maravich not necessarily in that order.
As a poster so correctly stated in a thread, the LSU Sports Hall of Fame does not honor the contribution of what a student or coach did academia-wise at LSU it honors what a student or coach did sports-wise at LSU. By a student leaving early or a coach leaving after a few years all that does is diminish the contributions that the individual does for LSU. And that diminishment might keep his or hers contribution from landing them in the LSU HOF, that is the risk they take by leaving early from school or not fulfilling a coaching contract. But if the individuals performance at LSU was so impactful that their performance warrants admission into LSU's HOF than the length of stay should not matter even if they did not get a degree. Their contribution to LSU sports is the only criteria that should be the deciding factor as to who is inducted into LSU's HOF hence the name LSU's Sports Hall of Fame.
This post was edited on 10/10/13 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:48 pm to ProjectP2294
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ProjectP2294
jesus, man. the whole point of the thread is to create debate. you speak as if everything you say is fact and you are, therefore, "smarter than the room." if the question "Should having a degree from LSU be required to be in the LSU HOF" is asked, then don't get your panties in such a wad if someone voices a contrarian opinion to the established rule.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 1:52 pm to Dudebro2
All statistics indicate the unlikelihood that Pete would ever have gone back to school. I don't have kids, but both my parents earned their PhDs after having kids. My mom did it as a single parent.
Like I said, I never met the man so I don't claim to know his thoughts. But everything I've ever read about him indicated he wasn't to keen on school.
Like I said, I never met the man so I don't claim to know his thoughts. But everything I've ever read about him indicated he wasn't to keen on school.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 2:03 pm to WITNESS23
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No, because times have changed and there is no need for Pat to graduate as he will be set for life.
I know I'm in the minority but that's how I feel. I see the other side of it but I just disagree.
Witness23 you are correct unfortunately there are myopic individuals in life that only can see whats in front of their face and can't think outside the box.
A degree should not be mandatory to be inducted into the LSU-HOF only your contributions to LSU and LSU sports should be. On the flip side if you are a student-athlete of LSU and your contributions were so great to LSU sports that your name is honored by LSU in the HOF then I would think you would want to eventually earn your degree from LSU. But it should not preclude you from the LSU-HOF.
LSU Admin needs to step into the current century and change the rule it is the right thing to do for the individuals who sweated their blood and tears for our great university.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 2:14 pm to Wayne Campbell
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All statistics indicate the unlikelihood that Pete would ever have gone back to school. I don't have kids, but both my parents earned their PhDs after having kids. My mom did it as a single parent.
Like I said, I never met the man so I don't claim to know his thoughts. But everything I've ever read about him indicated he wasn't to keen on school.
So let's think about that statement for a second, you have never met the man and you don't claim to know his thoughts but you will state what the indications were. Were those indications from Pete Maravich? Where those indications from his wife? If they weren't from either of those 2 people than you don't know. And the point is we will never know because he died at age 41.
I have kids and I can tell you plain and simple if I didn't need my degree to help me earn a living and didn't have a degree when I was raising my family I can promise you I would wait until my kids were out of the house before I spent time getting my degree. Meaning I would want to spend every minute of my spare time raising my family, then go back and get my degree. I say this because I firmly believe that would be the norm of what people feel if they were in that situation. Pete Maravich was in the situation. Does that mean he intended to got get his degree later, no it does not. But it certainly means that is the way he could have been thinking prior to his life ending early and not getting the chance to do exactly that.
But that does not diminish the facts of his contributions to the school and the fact that he is one of "if not the" greatest basketball players to play for LSU and his achievements at LSU should put him in the LSU-HOF and the rules should be changed to accommodate that. They call it the LSU Sports Hall of Fame because of the contributions the individual made to help LSU sports, I think Pete Maravich contributions qualify him to be inducted so the LSU Admin should induct the man plain and simple.
By the way I am glad you brought up statistics into this argument. The only STATISTIC's that matter for Pete Maravich being inducted into LSU-Sports HOF should be the following;
All-Time NCAA Career Scoring Leader with 3,667 points, an average of 44.2 points for 83 games.
Ranks first, fourth and fifth for most points in a single season in NCAA history. Averaged 44.5 points in 1970, 44.2 points in 1969 and 43.8 points in 1968.
Scored 69 points vs. Alabama, Feb. 7, 1970.
Led LSU to the NIT Final Four in 1970, its first postseason appearance in 16 years.
Unanimous first-team All-American in 1968, 1969, 1970.
Naismith Award winner in 1970.
Member of the National Basketball Association Hall of Fame after 10-year career with Atlanta Hawks, New Orleans and Utah Jazz and Boston Celtics.
Named one of the NBA’s 50 greatest players in 1997.
LSU Career Highlights:
Three-year letter winner (1967-70)
The Sporting News College Player of the Year (1970)
Naismith Award Winner (1970)
The Sporting News All-America First Team (1968, 1969, 1970)
Three-time AP and UPI First-Team All-America (1968, 1969, 1970)
Holds NCAA career record for most points (3,667, 44.2 ppg, three-year career) in 83 games
Holds NCAA career record for highest points per game average (44.2 ppg)
Holds NCAA record for most field goals made (1,387) and attempted (3,166)
Holds NCAA record for most free throws made (893) and attempted (1,152)
Holds NCAA record for most games scoring at least 50 points (28)
Holds NCAA single-season record for most points (1,381) and highest per game average (44.5 ppg) in 1970
Ranks 1st, 4th and 5th for most points in a single season in NCAA history, averaging 44.5 points in 1970, 44.2 points in 1969 and 43.8 points in 1968.
Holds NCAA single-season record for most field goals made (522) and attempted (1,168) in 1970
Holds NCAA single-season record for most games scoring at least 50 points (10) in 1970
Holds NCAA single-game record for most free throws made (30 of 31) against Oregon State on Dec. 22, 1969
Led the NCAA Division I in scoring with 43.8 ppg (1968); 44.2 (1969) and 44.5 ppg (1970)
The 44.5 ppg average ranks best in NCAA history; 44.2 ppg (fourth); 43.8 ppg (fifth)
Averaged 43.6 ppg on the LSU freshman team (1967)
Scored a career-high 69 points vs. Alabama (Feb. 7, 1970); 66 vs. Tulane (Feb. 10, 1969); 64 vs. Kentucky (Feb. 21, 1970); 61 vs. Vanderbilt (Dec. 11, 1969);
Holds LSU records for most field goals in a game (26) against Vanderbilt on Jan. 29, 1969 and attempted (57) against Vanderbilt
All-Southeastern Conference (1968, 1969, 1970)
Led LSU to the NIT Final Four in 1970, its first post-season appearance in 16 years
In 1988, Louisiana Governor Buddy Roemer signed legislation changing the official name of LSU's home court to the Maravich Assembly Center
In 1970, Maravich led LSU to a 20-8 record and a third place finish in the NIT
All-Time NCAA Career Scoring Leader with 3,667 points, an average of 44.2 points for 83 games
Now those are statistic's my friend!!!
This post was edited on 10/10/13 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 10/10/13 at 2:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Should having a degree from LSU be required to be in the LSU HOF?
Posted on 10/10/13 at 3:22 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
I think the rule should stay in effect for every athlete living. I am however ok with a special stipulation for after that athlete has died.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 3:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Anyone lacking an LSU degree should not expect to be included in the university's academic HOF. However, I don't see the need for a degree in order to be included in the school's athletic HOF.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 4:10 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:give him an honorary degree and induct him.
And yes, I agree with the rule. I think Maravich's legacy is properly honored even if he's never inducted into the LSU HOF.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 4:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
To be in Hof they should be required to have a degree. Some of these guys were my favorites, but you go to college for a degree.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 4:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I don't think it should be a requirement but encouraged
Some exceptions should be made and Maravich is definitely one
Some exceptions should be made and Maravich is definitely one
Posted on 10/10/13 at 4:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
We are going to hit a point where none of the greats of any sport are in.
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