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re: Seeing a few articles today criticizing les miles’ handling of pooka assault
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:36 am to Bayou
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:36 am to Bayou
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He allowed JJ back on the team and ruined the rest of the 2011 season
Did he now? What do you think happens in Tuscaloosa after the first 2 picks by Lee had we not had JJ on the bench that game ready to come in and NOT turn the ball over?
Say what you will about the NCG, but we'd have never gotten there had we lost to BAMA in the regular season and all LSU fans know this deep down. And even you guys that STILL have Lee's dick buried in your throats know that if he had to stick it out in Tuscaloosa we don't get out of there alive. We were not getting a second at bat against them like they got against us.
Much like our resident OSU tourist who can't stop pretending Burrow is a cross between Tom Brady and Thor, the folks that failed to come to grips with Lee's shortcomings have always forced others to seem as if they're bashing the guy. I've ALWAYS said, from Day one, that the kid got put into a TERRIBLE situation by Miles and the staff that 2008 season. Not only were he and Jefferson no where NEAR ready to play any significant time (they would not have had to for two seasons were it not for Perriloux getting booted...which is what I said back on page fricking one), but Lee specifically was asked to do things very few seasoned college QB's should be doing...namely throwing the ball as much as he did in our own territory when it's clear he was struggling. They set the kid up for failure and they all but broke him that year. for frick's sake...we had LSU fans CHEERING that year when he got hurt in Tiger Stadium and Miles was FORCED to take him out in favor of...you guessed it...JJ!
Truth is, given their limitations and how things went down in 2008 and our lack of development of QB's, neither was ever going to fully reach their potential and we ended up needing BOTH of them from time to time. Refusing to accept this has kept far too many people trapped in the past.
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Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:39 am to GeauxTigerTM
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And even you guys that STILL have Lee's dick buried in your throats
You really seem to have some issues.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You really seem to have some issues.
For a guy that finds me to be neurotic and generally a bad poster, you sure do seem to respond to an AWFUL lots of my posts...
Thanks?
BTW, congrats on skipping the entirety of the point of my post to focus on the one thing you could attempt to argue with...my word usage.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Nobody cares besides our merry band of idiot swamp king haters.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 12:11 pm to Geaux2LSU
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Yet he kicked Tyrunn and Perrilloux off the team possible costing him 2 NCs. They weren't even arrested. Bunch of BS
And he sat Mathieu and 2 other starters for the Auburn game for smoking fake marijuana, which was legal at the time.
Or all the folks that said he shouldnt be recruiting Devin White. He only went after White to win games and he has sold his soul to the devil just to beat the f@ing gumps. Blah blah blah. Jeremy Hill same sh(t.
Love me some fake news; seems its extremely popular these days.
But hey just let them follow the fake news that Miles wasnt a good coach/recruiter and had very low character. And oh yes, LSU won all those games despite him.
This post was edited on 7/10/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 7/10/19 at 12:52 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I don't think anyone disputes that JJ helped rescue us in the Bama game in Tuscaloosa.
Truth is, given their limitations and how things went down in 2008 and our lack of development of QB's, neither was ever going to fully reach their potential and we ended up needing BOTH of them from time to time. Refusing to accept this has kept far too many people trapped in the past.
Our complaint is that in the rematch, JJ was horrific, and we needed to put Lee in to see if he could light a spark. I'm NOT saying he would've, but it's the damn NC game -- you have to try ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to get the offense moving.
But we didn't, and Les just drove the plane straight into the ground.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 1:16 pm to atltiger6487
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I don't think anyone disputes that JJ helped rescue us in the Bama game in Tuscaloosa.
No...you may not, but MANY MANY people do. Just ask them. They'll be MORE than happy to tell you that had Miles simply stuck with him he'd have pulled out of it and we'd have still won. I mentioned it, because I've argued that point tons of times here.
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Our complaint is that in the rematch, JJ was horrific, and we needed to put Lee in to see if he could light a spark. I'm NOT saying he would've, but it's the damn NC game -- you have to try ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to get the offense moving.
I'm not defending that move. Never have. The fact that I don't think Lee was capable of suddenly getting over his BAMA fears and dragging LSU's offense down the field to score that night doesn't mean I would have not been happy to at least try and see if he could. Hell...if it meant having a chance to win, I'd have been happy to have T-Bob under center!
Unfortunately, that ship sailed back in November for Lee though as far as Miles was concerned. Miles stuck with him back then until he'd thrown his second pick. All that did was prove, in Miles' mind, what he'd feared since 2008. That he'd rather play ball control and eek out offensive yards and play defense rather than risk the high percentage of turning the ball over and killing your defense. Everyone paying attention should have known that Lee played himself out of the lineup with that second pick in November. Had he NOT turned the ball over and moved it just enough to win, my guess is that JJ would have never seen the field in Tuscaloosa and would have only played sparingly afterwards...unless Lee began to be a turnover machine again...which he'd avoided most of that year until then. Lee's job was at risk not just because JJ was on the sidelines, but because his play made it likely that he'd be replaced by what was considered to be the "safer" bet.
And for the record...I didn't bring this topic up. Blame Bayou for bringing up JJ and Lee! My point back on page was was just that Miles, for all his faults, did in fact toss some high profile guys from his team which ultimately hurt his teams by their absence. Suggesting that he has a history of coddling superstars and not removing them when their behavior warranted it is bad reporting.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 2:27 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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GeauxTigerTM
I've been on vacation the past couple of weeks but I see I've returned just in time for this weeks "let's bash Les Miles thread." I wonder what the past few weeks Miles threads have been about.
I responded to your post TM, because once again, It's a well thought out intelligent post about the subject. You again showed that you are one of the best posters on this site.
As far as this thread and whatever Miles did or didn't do regarding his handling of the "pooka assault", I haven't followed it nor do I care to follow it since it doesn't mean a hill of beans as far as the LSU football program is concerned. But when Miles was here, He was as tough as any other coach in college football when it came to disciplining his players.
Booting Perriloux and Mathieu off their teams proves that to be true.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 3:44 pm to earl keese
quote:I'm not trying stir shite up, but my recollection was that Mathieu failed many, many drug tests and that it ultimately was the university that effectively made Miles kick him off the team.
Booting Perriloux and Mathieu off their teams proves that to be true.
Is my recollection wrong? Again, I'm not trying to stir the pot and dump on Les, but that's honestly what I thought occurred back then.
Will fully admit I'm wrong if I am.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 3:49 pm to earl keese
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I responded to your post TM, because once again, It's a well thought out intelligent post about the subject. You again showed that you are one of the best posters on this site.
That's awfully nice, thanks.
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As far as this thread and whatever Miles did or didn't do regarding his handling of the "pooka assault", I haven't followed it nor do I care to follow it since it doesn't mean a hill of beans as far as the LSU football program is concerned.
Same. Until I read the link on Page One, I had no idea about any of it. My biggest connection to this story, beyond Miles having coached here, is that Pooka graduated from my high school alma mater. And since I don't live anywhere near there anymore, I don;t follow any of that at all...
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But when Miles was here, He was as tough as any other coach in college football when it came to disciplining his players. Booting Perriloux and Mathieu off their teams proves that to be true.
Literally my only point back on Page one. But...as you can imagine, it's hard not to take shot at the guy for some, so even though I pointed this out I had guys suggesting Miles didn't actually boot either, and then Bayou in his evolution denying wisdom felt the need to mention reinstating JJ as having been a bad decision.
Trust me...I want to get involved with a Lee v JJ debate about as much as I want to debate Russell V Flynn or slam my dick in a car door at this point. But...if some idiot is going to say something obviously wrong, I'm kind of hard pressed not to respond.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 3:53 pm to atltiger6487
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I'm not trying stir shite up, but my recollection was that Mathieu failed many, many drug tests and that it ultimately was the university that effectively made Miles kick him off the team.
Is my recollection wrong?
I don't remember there being any evidence that it was anything other than Miles' call. Ultimately, wouldn't it have been?
Honestly, unless there is some evidence to the contrary, this has always felt like a way to not credit Miles with the right, but difficult, call.
Not saying you are...I think you're probably just repeating what's been said. I just don't know where that rumor got started. could be 100% true for all I know...but other than rumor I've never seen anything that stated it was out of Miles' hands.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 5:28 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Orgeron drove the plane into the ground twice in 3 tries and what drastic measures were taken ?
you have to try ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to get the offense moving.
29-0 is OK though and no should've done mores are heard? Heck,LSU was down more in the 3rd than the final score of NC loss. At that same point of the 1-9-12 game the score was 12-0, not 22-0.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 7:54 pm to atltiger6487
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I'm not trying stir shite up
I appreciate that. Most people who get involved in these kind of discussions only do so to stir shite up. I'll even put myself in the group who wants to stir the pot.
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but my recollection was that Mathieu failed many, many drug tests and that it ultimately was the university that effectively made Miles kick him off the team.
I live in Washington State so I don't get the local scoop on most of these things. And I had quite a bit going on back then. So I don't know for sure how this played out and how many drug tests Mathieu failed. Although I do recall the talk of it being quite a few, according to the gossip on the rant.
But I do remember when it happened, I wasn't pissed at Miles (or whoever made the call to dismiss Mathieu), I was pissed at Mathieu himself for allowing something like this to happen and for letting down his team mates. Same thing with the Perriloux situation.
But Miles was the man in charge. If he's gonna take heat for things that go wrong, then he should be praised when things go right.
And in my opinion, dismissing Perriloux back in 2008 and Mathieu in 2012 were the right things to do.
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Will fully admit I'm wrong if I am.
I appreciate this as well. There aren't many posters on the rant that would admit when they're wrong. Not many that I know of anyway.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:08 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Trust me...I want to get involved with a Lee v JJ debate about as much as I want to debate Russell V Flynn or slam my dick in a car door at this point. But...if some idiot is going to say something obviously wrong, I'm kind of hard pressed not to respond.
Point well taken.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:10 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Jeremy was suspended for more than just a fight in a bar.
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