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re: SEC Network Finley “seeing ghosts” when passing the ball

Posted on 11/24/20 at 2:45 pm to
Posted by HarrisonTown
Member since Nov 2019
516 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 2:45 pm to
He's not seeing ghosts.
Finley is a freshman, stayed composed, and made mostly good decisions and throws.
I think everyone can agree those announcers sucked.
Blowhard drama queens.
frick em.
Posted by NorthTxLSU
Dallas, Tx
Member since Nov 2018
11067 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 2:48 pm to
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He was completely lost that day. He’ll improve, he’s only a freshman, but it’s putting lipstick on a pig to say he did anything that day.

never said he did anything good. just saying it’s hard to put it on him with the o line playing that bad. we saw what he’s capable of when given protection like he was against SC
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11977 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 2:52 pm to
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Finley moved in the pocket, kept his eyes downfield, and threw a good pass.


For the winning TD.
I guess you see what you want to see, but, his moving in the pocket, buying time, indicated to me that he was maturing into a great QB. It brought back memories of Joe Burrow.
Wonder how Joe B looked when he was a true freshman.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47859 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:03 pm to
He doesn’t move in the pocket, he bails right every time and he got away with at least 3 cardinal mistakes throwing back across the field. He won’t keep getting away with that and teams will pickup on this tendency. He will have to learn how to go through progressions or at least learn where his second option is or DCs will start to exploit him the way Auburn did. Don’t forget Arkansas rushes 3 most of the game and that gave him a little more time but he’s not beating anyone with anticipation or smarts right now and that can’t last. His best game was still 120 yards short of Brennan’s average and if we can’t control the game running the ball Finley has tons of trouble.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 3:07 pm
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14414 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:09 pm to
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For the winning TD. I guess you see what you want to see, but, his moving in the pocket, buying time, indicated to me that he was maturing into a great QB. It brought back memories of Joe Burrow. Wonder how Joe B looked when he was a true freshman.

Or even in 2018.

As for Finley, the one thing I'd like to see him do is when he does decide to run, do it with some authority. You're bigger than anyone except the DL so make defenders pay for tackling you. He's done a good job losing some of the unnecessary weight since coming on campus. If he can develop more lower body strength and agility through conditioning he will be a lot more dangerous.
Posted by TigerDat
Member since Aug 2010
7629 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:12 pm to
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, they really didn't. Stinchcomb was blabbing about this multiple times after the TD, as if the fact he threw a damn TD to take the lead wasn't the story. Finley moved in the pocket, kept his eyes downfield, and threw a good pass. "Seeing ghosts" is only a thing if he's pulling the ball down to escape pressure that isn't there. Again, he kept his eyes downfield and threw the ball right after moving in the pocket


Yes. I forgot where but someone breaking down the game said to them it seemed more like he was getting his recievers open.

They explained when it looked like he would take off it would pull the coverage and allow recievers to get open.

I'm not sure if that was really his thinking but seemed to work atleast on a few plays
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47859 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:13 pm to
That’s a good point. A lot of people compare Finley to Jruss and it’s a solid comparison based on physical attributes. Russell wasn’t a fast or quick guy either but when he saw defenses turn their back he was good at taking it straight upfield for good gains. This is something Finley should be doing and maybe Ensminger needs to incorporate more QB draws from thinly spread formations instead of the slower developing read option play.
Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
Member since Sep 2011
19318 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:20 pm to
That was sort of my point too, Arkansas hardly ever attempted any rush of Finley, yet he got happy feet multiple times. He’s got the talent but a lot to learn about pocket presence, patience, like when to step up or get out.

Ala, Fla, the Aggies are going to be a recurring nightmare for LSU’s outstanding freshman QB. We shall see how much Finley matures pocket presence wise over those three games.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14414 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:20 pm to
The one thing that has to be drilled into him is that once you decide to run don't be tentative. He doesn't have the ability to side step so find a lane and go. He looks like an even slower version of Russell, but some of it is he's still learning how to scramble. He needs to keep up with the conditioning and he'll at least be able to do periodic damage as a runner.
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
2293 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:51 pm to
This is true. However, game reps change most young QB's ability to read/react to defenses. He is apparently a student of the game and these are things you can learn. What you can't learn is how to be 6'7"...mobile and fit balls into postage stamp-sized windows like he does.

Every QB needs an O-line that can block. Against Auburn, he was getting to about "2 Missi"--then bam!
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47859 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:01 pm to
The playcalling has to improve dramatically if we’re even going to halfway compete against those teams. There’s no way this type of offense should score only 27 points with 42 minutes of possession against anybody. If we try this keep away stuff with the teams you mentioned we’re dead. Why isn’t Kirkland’s versatility being used? Why not throw more swings with Emery? Don’t we have jet sweep and pop pass in the playbook? Where’s the play we used to kill Florida and other teams motioning the back outside of Marshall to create that safety/LB mismatch? We aren’t going to beat anybody throwing hitches, 5 yard outs and the occasional bomb.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47859 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:06 pm to
I think you’re overestimating the things we’ve seen him do and his overall ability. He isn’t really mobile and jamming 7-10 yard hitch routes to a WR is something any QB with an above average arm can do. Finley isn’t making strike throws into tight windows, he misses a ton of open guys anywhere beyond 10 yards. He does have a strong arm but he has zero touch and doesn’t even seem to be able to level his throws at this point. He’s extremely limited so far and if he were capable of the things you said would be putting up much better numbers in this offense. His best game is 72 yards short of Brennan’s worst game just for reference.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 4:10 pm
Posted by Earthquake
USA
Member since Nov 2007
977 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:25 pm to
Madking do you have something personal against this kid, you seem to only have negative comments concerning him. You do realize that he is only 18 years old making his 3rd start against SEC competition. Why don't we give him a few years before we write him off. This is the best looking freshmen qb i have seem play for the Tigers, so i would like to give him the benefit of the doubt for right now.
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
2293 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:25 pm to
I would certainly not argue your take because I believe mine was subjective. However, it's my opinion that you're probably minimizing what he's able to do as a true freshman. Case-in-point...that wheel route throw he made to TDP was a thing of beauty. While he may struggle with seeing what's in front of him, he has shown the ability to escape inside the pocket and make plays. That's something Brennan has struggled with, even in his limited time this year.

This isn't a "who's better" post. Brennan is clearly better at this point. However, I personally think Finley has outperformed expectations. I also think Joe Burrow spoiled us away from remembering what a learning curve looks like for a young QB.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 4:28 pm
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:36 pm to
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Finley isn’t making strike throws into tight windows
against the Arkansas zone he absolutely was, announcers kept saying they were “dangerous” but against a zone you have to find the gaps and fit it in. Also does he get any credit for taking us on a long game winning drive and throwing the game winning touchdown, on the road against an SEC team while being a true freshman?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47859 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:41 pm to
Nothing I’ve said has been personal about the kid so trying to paint it as a vendetta is totally dishonest. Your second point is a strawman, of course hes 18 and of course you’d expect him to improve I’m simply saying what is happening right now and what he is as a player right now. I don’t create idols out of children, I care about LSU football and the program and I don’t project onto a player when attempting to evaluate him.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 4:50 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47859 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:48 pm to
It wasn’t meant to be a “who’s better” it was a comparison to show the extreme drop off in production and the contrast in reality compared to the wish casting going on instead of Finley’s production so far. If we’re being honest about him as a passer in this offense you have the two other QBs, 378ypg, 377ypg and Finley at 226ypg. Refusing to acknowledge that huge disparity doesn’t help to evaluate him as a player. If we just ignore the facts because he has a big arm we’re just deluding ourselves and robbing the board of an honest discussion. I don’t think it’s all on him I think adding more wrinkles and using our athletes in more creative and practical ways gives us a better chance of winning than dumbing down the offense and babying him.
Posted by Mooreman
Kildare , Ireland
Member since May 2016
871 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:50 pm to
You are correct. If anything he was too brave. His turnovers vs Auburn came from being too brave. Not from seeing ghosts.

Honesty, there is a weird agenda against Filey that I don't like.

He is doing excellently, he's gotten frick all reps and is 2:1 as a freshman who wasn't even sure he was second string a month ago.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47859 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:51 pm to
Those “dangerous” throws you’re talking about are cardinal mistakes he got away with not something to be encouraged about. If he keeps doing that the Ints will come in bunches and you can bank on that.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11977 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:51 pm to
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I think you’re overestimating the things we’ve seen him do


Comon Man. Don't make stupid comments.
He has improved tremendously since coming on campus.
Heck fans who saw him in HS thought he had no chance and wondered why he was offred.
He didn't even have benefit of Spring Practice, and only had 1/4 the reps in practice, until Brennan's injury. I'm assuming that Brennan got half the reps and he and Johnson split the other half.
What were Burrow's stats in his first three starts at LSU? Like Finley vs Auburn, Burrow threw a pick six vs Florida which ended our chance to win that game.
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