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re: Scott says the offense is "getting after it" in practice

Posted on 3/22/09 at 12:15 am to
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 12:15 am to
Man, you got to cut Lee some slack on the pick 6's.

That was just bad luck. McCoy threw some shite like 18 INT's a couple of years ago. I don't think he had as many Pick 6's as Lee did.

*I reserve the right to disregard my posts this evening in the morning as I'm heavily intoxicated
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31267 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 12:20 am to
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Man, you got to cut Lee some slack on the pick 6's.


I do cut him slack. The pick is on him but the 'six' part of it is on the everyone.

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That was just bad luck. McCoy threw some shite like 18 INT's a couple of years ago. I don't think he had as many Pick 6's as Lee did.


McCoy had 22 TDs to match the 18 TDs. More importantly, he rushed for 510 yards on 114 carries for 4 TDs. Check out Lee's rushing stats.

JJ is a comparable passer with lesser INTs and a running threat on critical 3rd downs. No brainer Rocket. You gotta admit.
This post was edited on 3/22/09 at 12:21 am
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/22/09 at 12:20 am to
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Man, you got to cut Lee some slack on the pick 6's. That was just bad luck.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 12:23 am to
Dude, I'm intoxicated.

I'll talk with y'all later bros
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31267 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 12:23 am to
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Dude, I'm intoxicated.


Me too. I would never post stats in a sober state. Way too much work.
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 12:28 am to
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Jarrett Lee 116.9 rating 53.2% comp 170.3 ypg 101 sack yds -8.8 rush avg 161.5 tot ypg
Jo. Jefferson 112.9 rating 49.3% comp 59.9 ypg 77 sack yds 19.1 rush avg 79 tot ypg



These are some bullshite stats. JJ had two starts and 1 half of the Ole Miss game. Lee had some crazy efficiency numbers and he also had stats from Appy St, North Texas and Tulane. Also, in defense of Lee, if the defense just shows up for 1 fricking series against UGA we don't lose that game. But, at the same time, if the D shows up in the 2nd half against Arky we win so that's a wash. Bottom line, Lee might be a very good QB but not in a Gary Crowton system. He calls on his QBs to use their legs waaaaay too much.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12538 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 12:50 am to
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JJ is a comparable passer with lesser INTs
Neither of them have an INT currently. And how good either of them "is" (which of course we don't really know since we can't watch them play right now) is not the point. The question is who will be the best QB come September. Right now the most likely bet seems to be Jefferson (imo), but it is kind of naive to assume that a performance last year, or even this spring, by either or both of them will necessarily illustrate who will be the better next September. Again I would remind people how "obvious" it was that Vincent was going to be our stud RB in '04. Why close you mind to any possibility at this point? Do you think you get a cookie if you lock in your prediction now and turn out to be right?

Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31267 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 12:55 am to
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Neither of them have an INT currently. And how good either of them "is" (which of course we don't really know since we can't watch them play right now) is not the point.


We were comparing last year's stats. We all know there are no stats for this year.

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The question is who will be the best QB come September. Right now the most likely bet seems to be Jefferson (imo), but it is kind of naive to assume that a performance last year, or even this spring, by either or both of them will necessarily illustrate who will be the better next September.


JL is not out of the equation, but this is JJ's job to lose for now. That was the point.

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Again I would remind people how "obvious" it was that Vincent was going to be our stud RB in '04. Why close you mind to any possibility at this point?


JV was an RB. This is the QB position. Not the same dynamics. World of difference.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12538 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 1:12 am to
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Bottom line, Lee might be a very good QB but not in a Gary Crowton system. He calls on his QBs to use their legs waaaaay too much.
I don't recall his La. Tech QBs running a whole lot. Did he run his QBs a lot at BYU? I know he did at Oregon (at least some). But I've never thought of Crowton having a system that necessarily required the QB to run a lot. In fact, one of the things I appreciate most about Crowton is that he has proven the ability to field highly successful offenses with a variety of schemes and different types of QBs. Hell, anybody who can coach a top 10 offense with Tim Rattay AND Dennis Dickson is by no means limited to one "type" of QB.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12538 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 1:17 am to
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JL is not out of the equation, but this is JJ's job to lose for now. That was the point.
Then I missed the point. My apologies. And I agree on both counts.

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JV was an RB. This is the QB position. Not the same dynamics. World of difference.
In some respects, yes. But the basic principle that players (especially young players) can change dramatically -- in either direction -- from year to year is equally true of all positions.

Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32745 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 6:44 am to
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Dude, I'm intoxicated.
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I'll talk with y'all later bros
Well alrighty then.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32745 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 6:48 am to
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Well, considering these are CS exact words, I'm not sure where you got your 1st quote from???
From the 1st article that was done on LSU's 1st Spring practice, do you follow the team?
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Anything said about JLee throwing better, and JJ being a better leader was from the reporter, not Scott.
If you have to be so precise, then yes. But those comments were gleaned from an earlier article (I assumed everyone has read since it's on the front page of TD), that JJ has clearly shown the leadership skills in the huddle far better than anyone else so far.
Posted by LSUGradATL
Warsawa/ATL
Member since Jul 2007
10497 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:05 am to
Jesus, JL never tucked his tail last year. Its clear from that comment u dont like him as the #1 QB, however, and many will not like it, the kid will b the starter in September.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
55045 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:13 am to
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Jesus, JL never tucked his tail last year. Its clear from that comment u dont like him as the #1 QB, however, and many will not like it, the kid will b the starter in September


I doubt it...JJ will start... The players clearly like his leadership and command of the huddle over JL..

JL will be #2..even though he has the best arm...but best arm doesn't mean best QB..

JL maybe a good practice QB...but under the pressure he is not the guy... Look I love him and want the best, but last year was really hard to watch..

Let's hope for the best and see what happens
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:27 am to
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JJ has shown both the abiity to move up the field and take hits. There is really no evidence to suggest JL has a better skill set.


Lee has better pure passing skills but must develop instincts and leadership, which JJ appears to have. I personally don't care about running skills, although the ability to feel the pressure and move when necessary is important. I don't know if we saw enough of JJ to gauge this from him yet, but most underclassman struggle with this.

I don't see any way JJ doesn't start the season at #1...but I'll be a lot more comfortable with the QB situation this year than last, although I expect the position to still struggle some.
Posted by Tigrus Maximus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2007
623 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:50 am to
+1
Posted by lsuoldschool
Weston, La.
Member since Jan 2008
159 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 10:41 am to
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No the team that scores the most points wins.


No, actually it's the team that allows the least points that wins
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 11:20 am to
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Says the offense outplayed the defense the other day.


That is a concern. Miles said last year that he knew the problem and it would be fixed. Hopefully Chavis is the fix.
Posted by bjc778
Member since Dec 2006
4482 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 11:32 am to
Everyone's avoiding the elephant in the room. Who is teaching our offense to tackle? Apparently that skill is over looked. But you can't blame Big Herm, he was the biggest baby ever born in LA.
Posted by BBATiger
Member since Jun 2005
16653 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 11:35 am to
I talked to two players yesterday, 1 Offensive and 1 Defensive. They both said:

1) The Defense jacked the Offense in the scrimage yesterday and it wasn't even close.
2) Lee is a better passer than JJ, but he is too quiet. JJ is much more of a "leader".

Take it for what it's worth.
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