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re: Savion smith has announced he's transferring
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:11 am to lsu2006
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:11 am to lsu2006
I mean, if you want to come across as a whiny petulant child, then go ahead.
I'm just trying to help you out here kid. This thread was supposed to discuss Saivion's transfer not be a sandbox for all the children who are still crying about a coaching hire.
I'm just trying to help you out here kid. This thread was supposed to discuss Saivion's transfer not be a sandbox for all the children who are still crying about a coaching hire.
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Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:11 am to Mr. Hangover
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Do you not realize this could be turned right around and applied to you?
You're the one lashing out at people. All I've said is I don't have a lot of confidence in the hire lomg term. Sorry you take that so personally.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:12 am to lsu2006
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You rather him fail and you be right or succeed and you be wrong?
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Can people stop with this?
Why does the truth bother you? Take it a little personally huh?
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:13 am to DBU
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This thread was supposed to discuss Saivion's transfer not be a sandbox for all the children who are still crying about a coaching hire.
Yeah I'll agree with this. The topic has clearly strayed
I just kind of jumped in the middle after itd already turned into an Orgeron thread. If you wanna start an Orgeron hire discussion thunderdome thread I'm game 
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:14 am to Tiger Ree
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Take it a little personally huh?
Not even remotely
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:16 am to lsu2006
I don't know why the frick you (and the majority of this board) insist on making people pick a side when it comes to the coach
My alliegence is to LSU, not a particular staff member or player.. IDGAF if they bring Jay Leno in here - if he wins, great, if not - well, he has to go... but holy fricking shite people like you make this place unbearable at times
My alliegence is to LSU, not a particular staff member or player.. IDGAF if they bring Jay Leno in here - if he wins, great, if not - well, he has to go... but holy fricking shite people like you make this place unbearable at times
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:17 am to Mr. Hangover
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I don't know why the frick you (and the majority of this board) insist on making people pick a side when it comes to the coach
What are you talking about? No one has to pick a "side" and there aren't "sides". We're all on the side of LSU but have differing opinions on whether Orgeron is the long term answer. Calm down, man.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:18 am to lsu2006
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Why can't people explain why they think Orgeron is a good hire that will get us to and keep us at championship level long term without acting like a kid who dropped their ice cream cone?
1) what does it matter? he's the coach.
2) How is bitching about it in every football related matter going to change the fact that he is the coach?
3) Miles was the coach, people bitched, O's now the coach, people bitch. Every sport people have bitched and want the coach fired.
4) Who thought Pete Caroll would have been a good hire at USC? Dabo at Clemson?
5) why can't people move on and support the coach? If he fails, he will be fired. Simple as that.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:19 am to Tiger Ree
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Now that's funny. Where are these "FACTS" you speak of?
He won THREE SEC games in three years as a head coach at Ole Miss, including ZERO in his third year. Of those three wins, he beat Vandy by a touchdown, Mississippi State by a field goal, and Kentucky by six points. In his three years at Ole Miss, he never won more than FOUR games in a single season. And it's not even like his teams were competitive, they got thumped often.
2005: Lost at Auburn 27-3, Lost to LSU 40-7, Lost at Miss State 35-14, Lost at Tennessee 27-7
2006: Lost at Missouri 34-7, Lost at Kentucky 31-14, Lost to WAKE FOREST 27-3 AT HOME, Lost at Arkansas 38-3
2007: Lost at Georgia 45-17, Lost to Arkansas 44-8, Lost to LSU 41-24, Lost at Auburn 17-3
His biggest career win was a shutout win at home against Louisiana Tech.
The man is a great recruiter and a good DL coach, hence why aside from his one abject failure as a head coach at Ole Miss, he has been nothing but a DL coach and interim coach. After he left USC, no one even wanted him until Miles needed a shot of adrenaline to his recruiting staff. After his interim stint at LSU ended, no other schools were approaching him for a DL spot, much less a head coaching vacancy. All of these are facts of the man who has been given the keys to the future of the LSU football program.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:19 am to lsu2006
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No one has to pick a "side" and there aren't "sides"
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:20 am to Elleshoe
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When is the last time a head coach was fired and a position coach from the same staff was promoted to permanent head coach? Hell, when has it happened that a coordinator was promoted?
And some people are hoping that a similar trajectory plays out. And I would agree that this is still a tremendous risk.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:21 am to Mr. Hangover
Uh ok? You're literally the only person who has said anything about picking a side. Maybe try popping a xanax or something, you seem tense
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:21 am to Elleshoe
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Let me ask you... what makes Orgeron a good hire?
For starters:
Lets see:
Coach O has
Fired:
Cam Cameron
Bradley Dale Peveto
Dameyune Craig (recruiting coordinator last class - had a WR committed since the previous year and found out on signing day the guy would not qualify. Not a good WR's coach.
Jabar Juluke - RB coach responsible for Derrius Guice going the wrong way and missing out on every RB recruit except one.
Extended:
Dave Aranda
Promoted:
Dennis Johnson (Meatball) who outrecruited Tom Herman for K'lavon Chaisson. He was and may still be the nation's #1 rated recruiter for the 2018 class.
Hired:
Tommie Robinson - the nation's #1 rated recruiter for the 2017 class. Has coached in the NFL as well as college.
Matt Canada - the only Broyles award candidate on the offensive side of the ball.
Mickey Joseph
Pete Jenkins - Probably the most well known and acclaimed D-Line coach in football - college or pro.
Responsible for being at LSU:
Austin Thomas
And then:
LSU finished #7 on 24/7 and ESPN and #8 on Rivals after signing only 23 players. And this after Coach shut down all on-campus recruiting during the fall semester including official visits even for committed players until a new coach was hired.
"First-year LSU coach Ed Orgeron not only did a masterful job of keeping the recruiting class intact during a coaching change but finishing equally as strong."
Sorry, I know this disgusts you but you asked the question.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:23 am to Tiger Ree
Sorry, you're wasting your time bro
Crawfish étouffée and yaw yaw yaw and shite
Crawfish étouffée and yaw yaw yaw and shite
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:32 am to c on z
Comparing Orgeron to Dabo is laughable. Dabo was fresh on the scene, an unknown. We have plenty of history on O.
With that said I'm not bashing Coach O, especially over a tricking transfer. The Tigers are going to be just fine.
With that said I'm not bashing Coach O, especially over a tricking transfer. The Tigers are going to be just fine.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:34 am to Mr. Hangover
You Twats need to get a room...seriously. Youve turned this into a BS thread.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:34 am to Tiger Ree
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Coach O has
Fired:
Cam Cameron
Bradley Dale Peveto
Dameyune Craig (recruiting coordinator last class - had a WR committed since the previous year and found out on signing day the guy would not qualify. Not a good WR's coach.
Jabar Juluke - RB coach responsible for Derrius Guice going the wrong way and missing out on every RB recruit except one.
All of these are common sense, and any qualified coach would have done the same. And BTW, he didn't even fire Cam Cameron, so how does he get credit for that?
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Extended:
Dave Aranda
Well Aranda is a top three DC in college football, so it's likely that any qualified coach would have done everything possible to retain him. Not to mention the fact that O's entire plan is based on who his coordinators are.
Promoted:
Dennis Johnson (Meatball) who outrecruited Tom Herman for K'lavon Chaisson. He was and may still be the nation's #1 rated recruiter for the 2018 class.
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Hired:
Tommie Robinson - the nation's #1 rated recruiter for the 2017 class. Has coached in the NFL as well as college.
Matt Canada - the only Broyles award candidate on the offensive side of the ball.
Mickey Joseph
Pete Jenkins - Probably the most well known and acclaimed D-Line coach in football - college or pro.
I will give him credit for hiring Robinson and Canada. Again, his entire coaching strategy is dependent on his coordinators, so hiring a candidate like Canada was a necessity. Pete Jenkins is a dinosaur who came in at the last minute during O's interim stint for spot duty. Unbelievable that he is still on staff.
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Responsible for being at LSU:
Austin Thomas
No, that would be Les, who realized that he couldn't run the program without Thomas.
quote:
"First-year LSU coach Ed Orgeron not only did a masterful job of keeping the recruiting class intact during a coaching change but finishing equally as strong."
I'd hope so given that he was running the entire recruiting process, it's not like he jumped in two months before signing day and made the class happen. And on top of that, he missed out on Marvin Wilson, his personally prized recruit.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:36 am to TN Bhoy
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quote: Wow, you sound pretty smart. Please explain what a regular full-time head coach does that an interim does not do. I'm sure there are so many differences it shouldn't take but a few seconds to just name the biggest differences. I eagerly await your response. Thanks in advance
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For one, plan for the program's future, not just the interim contract. That includes a hiring plan, recruiting (not just for the next season), PR, working with the university, etc..
So, if even if the interim hopes to get the job on a permanent basis he still doesn't plan for the program's future. He just hangs out and chills and when he gets the job he busts arse for all the time he was just coasting.
Wouldn't planning for the program's future - like Coach O did at LSU - possibly help the coach become permanent. When he interviews with the AD and is asked what his plans would be does he say "Uh-oh, I was only worried about the interim contract, can I think on this and get back to you"?
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That includes a hiring plan
One of Coach O's first actions as the interim coach at LSU was to fire Cam Cameron. As an interim he also fired Bradley Peveto. He promoted Dennis Johnson and hired Pete Jenkins.
I guess that makes your above statement bullshite doesn't it?
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PR, working with the university, etc..
This is so stupid I shouldn't even respond. Have you not seen the other idiots bitch because they think the only reason Coach O got the job was because of his PR campaign which again includes key hires that helped him achieve his goals?
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I guess I should have made myself clear and asked if someone who had the slightest clue could give a valid difference/differences between the two. Good try though guy.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:42 am to Damone
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No, that would be Les, who realized that he couldn't run the program without Thomas.
Just a warning, you should be prepared for an explanation that involves Thomas leaving USC to come to LSU in April 2013 because he knew Kiffin would be fired later that season, Orgeron would be hired as interim, Orgeron would not be retained as HC, Orgeron would be upset that he wasn't retained as HC, and Orgeron would end up at LSU in January 2015 after leaving USC and taking a year off.
It's completely reasonable.
This post was edited on 6/1/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:43 am to Tiger Ree
Not reading thru the totality of this hen party, but....
has any body pointed out the fact that with the three incoming transfers we are over the 85 limit by 3; therefore attrition is necessary. One down, at least 2 more to go.
has any body pointed out the fact that with the three incoming transfers we are over the 85 limit by 3; therefore attrition is necessary. One down, at least 2 more to go.
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