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re: Saban underachevied at LSU...here are the facts....
Posted on 7/20/10 at 7:01 am to tduecen
Posted on 7/20/10 at 7:01 am to tduecen
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Can you give me an example of a game where in third quarter the stadium was half empty against an SEC Foe.
It has been a huge problem past 3 years, I do not blame Les Miles for that. I blame the fans in general and the fact it is much harder and expensive to get a ticket. I believe many fans are spoiled in the fact they think LSU should win every game and decide to leave at halftime to beat the traffic of a 10 point ball game.
Trust me, I have been going to LSU games for 27 years and have only missed a handful of games during that time. Fans leaving the game early has been an issue for a long while...since way before Saban got here, and yes it continued while he was here too.
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 7:04 am to Chicot
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Trust me, I have been going to LSU games for 27 years and have only missed a handful of games during that time. Fans leaving the game early has been an issue for a long while...since way before Saban got here, and yes it continued while he was here too.
Ah yes they have always left in all stadiums in the 4th quarter of blow outs or games already decided.
Yet here recently it is happening in 3rd quarter and at half time.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 7:11 am to tduecen
No, sorry wasn't trying to get post count up or anything. Was just posting responses to posts as I was going through the thread.
Anyway....
No there were always plenty of folks leaving during half-time and third quarter. I would like to be able to provide you with specific games, but in all honesty, it was/is such a frequent occurence that it wasn't something I kept track of.
Anyway....
No there were always plenty of folks leaving during half-time and third quarter. I would like to be able to provide you with specific games, but in all honesty, it was/is such a frequent occurence that it wasn't something I kept track of.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 7:13 am to Chicot
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No there were always plenty of folks leaving during half-time and third quarter. I would like to be able to provide you with specific games, but in all honesty, it was/is such a frequent occurence that it wasn't something I kept track of.
I have been going to games longer than 27 years. I can say leaving that early is a more decent problem. During Hallman/Dinardo the issue was the stadium was never at full capacity or LSU was being blown out by Florida.
The 80's were similar, during severe blowouts, good and bad people left end of third/middle of fourth quarter.
I have never witnessed like in previous few seasons where in the middle of games with the outcomes still not decided people leaving.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 7:23 am to Chicot
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Why is it so hard for Tiger fans to just say that both Miles and Saban are good coaches and leave it at that?
Because when you compare the two they are not in the same universe. Saban is so much better its not even funny. Had les been hired after Gerry D, he would have looked more like Curley H. I have read players talk about the conditioning and structure of the program before and after Saban was there for a couple of years and it is amazing how much a coach can make a difference in a program.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 9:16 am to cj2002
Yet there were many instances of LSU failing to put away opponents, wearing down at ends of games, blowing leads, getting blown out, not ready to play , losing to far lesser opponents than itself. The argument is ridiculous really, LSU was FAR from an unstoppable force while NS was here. Why is he doing better at Bama than here, in a shorter time? Is Bama an easier program to win at? If so, that means Les is only slightly less of a coach than NS. Slightly. It would also mean that Les is far superior to both Curley (not even debatable, anyway) and DiNardo.
Don't bring up the Saban talent thing, this isn't the pros where great players stay around forever. LSU has always pulled in its fair share of highly rated talent. Even Curley brought in "highly rated classes".
Don't bring up the Saban talent thing, this isn't the pros where great players stay around forever. LSU has always pulled in its fair share of highly rated talent. Even Curley brought in "highly rated classes".
This post was edited on 7/20/10 at 9:25 am
Posted on 7/20/10 at 10:05 am to bgtiger
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Even Curley brought in "highly rated classes".
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1991
HEAD COACH CURLEY HALLMAN
DB John Bell, LaPorte, Texas (LaPorte)
DB Kimojha Brooks, DeRidder, La. (DeRidder)
DB Todd Burks, Denham Springs, La. (Fork Union Acad.)
DB Tony Cole, Shreveport, La. (Byrd)
LB William Crowell, Meridian, Miss. (Meridian)
LB Robert Deshotel, Lake Charles, La. (LaGrange)
OL Jeff Dupre, Opelousas, La. (Opelousas Catholic)
PK Matt Huerkamp, Shalimar,La. (Choctawhatchee)
QB Ryan Huffman, Houston, Texas (Clear Lake)
OL Mark King, Houma, La. (Terrebone)
RB John McClain, Cartersville, Ga. (Cartersville)
NG Brian Madden, Indianapolis, Ind. (Garden City CC)
DL Craig Robinson, Jackson, Miss. (Lanier)
LB Jason Smothers, Destrehan, La. (Destrehan)
TE Brandon Stelly, Opelousas, La. (Opelousas Catholic)
OL Jerome Sterling, River Ridge, La. (John Curtis)
DE Robert Thibodeaux, River Ridge, La. (John Curtis)
OL Tom Turner, Bastrop, La. (Bastrop)
LB Eric Valentino, Houston, Texas (Clear Lake)
OL Brian Ward, Linden, Ala. (Marengo Acad.)
LB Bobby Williams, Ruston, La. (Ruston)
DB Lee Williams, Monroe, La. (Valley Forge Acad.)
DB Rodney Young, Grambling, La. (Ruston)
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1992
HEAD COACH CURLEY HALLMAN
NG Doug Admire, Rockwall, Texas (Rockwall)
OL Ben Bordelon, Mathews, La. (Central Lafourche)
RB David Butler, Bourg, La. (South Terrebone)
LB Mike Calais, Patterson, La. (Patterson)
OL Marcus Carmouche, Lafayette, La. (Carencro)
RB Robert Davis, Birmingham, Ala. (Homewood)
LB James Gillyard, Shreveport, La. (Woodlawn)
DB Robert Hawkins, Dallas, Texas (Carter)
DB Al Head, Amite, La. (Amite)
TE Chris Hill, Mansfield, La. (Mansfield)
QB Jamie Howard, Lafayette, La. (St. Thomas More)
DB Tory James, Marrero, La. (Archbishop Shaw)
OL Jeff Jenkins,West Monroe, La. (Ouachita Christian)
OL Kerry Jenkins, Tuscaloosa, Ala. (Holt)
RB Jay Johnson,Waco, Texas (Waco)
WR Eddie Kennison, Lake Charles, La. (Wash.-Marion)
TE David LaFleur,Westlake, La. (Westlake)
WR Clarence Lenton, Memhpis, Tenn. (Westwood)
DL Robert Miller, Hattiesburg, Miss. (Hattiesburg)
RB Artie Moore,Wiggins, Miss. (Stone County)
LB Gabe Northern, Baton Rouge, La. (Glen Oaks)
DL Ike Pullett, Baton Rouge, La. (Tara/Pearl River CC)
RB Robert Toomer, Sylvester, Ga. (County)
OL Sean Wells, Jenks, Okla. (Jenks)
SS Reggie Wilson, New Orleans, La. (John Curtis)
WR Sheddrick Wilson, Thomasville, Ga. (Thomasville)
DL Tori Workman,Winston-Salem, N.C. (Fork Union Academy)
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1993
HEAD COACH CURLEY HALLMAN
RB Derrick Beavers, Carencro, La. (Carencro)
TE Josh Bradley, Oak Grove, La. (Oak Grove)
DB Hunter Bullard, Bossier City, La. (Airline)
DL David Carmona, Richardson, Texas (Richardson)
DB Talvi Crawford, Orlando, Fla. (Garden City CC)
WR Chris Cummings, Dothan, Ala. (Dothan)
RB Kevin Franklin, Baton Rouge, La. (Catholic)
DB Tyrone Frazier, Shreveport, La. (Woodlawn)
DB Chris Green, Hahnville, La. (Hahnville)
LB Jeff Hampton, Clear Lake, Texas (Clear Lake)
LB Furnell Hankton, New Orleans, La. (B.T.Wash.)
OL Todd Holland, Orlando, Fla. (Boone)
LB Tim Hutton, Slidell, La. (Slidell)
WR Eddie Kennison, Lake Charles, La. (Wash.-Marion)
P/PK Chad Kessler, Lake Mary, Fla. (Lake Mary)
LB Brandon Michel, Lutcher, La. (Lutcher)
LB Kenny Mixon, Pineville, La. (Pineville)
DL Heath Panks, Slidell, La. (Salmen)
OL Adam Perry, Covington, La. (Covington)
LB Pat Rogers, Shreveport, La. (Fair Park)
RB Jermaine Sharp, Monroe, La. (Ouachita Christian)
WR Eric Smith,Vero Beach, Fla. (NW Miss. JC)
LB Allen Stansberry, Baton Rouge, La. (Broadmoor)
DL Jason Stein, Luling, La. (Hahnville)
QB Casey Taber, Schulenburg, Texas (Schulenberg)
RB/KR Jimmy Taylor, Shreveport, La. (Northwood)
DB Denard Walker, Garland, Texas (South Garland)
LB Chuck Wiley, Baker, La. (Southern Lab)
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1994
HEAD COACH CURLEY HALLMAN
DB Aaron Adams, Metairie (East Jefferson)
OL Rusty Barrilleaux, Amite (Amite)
OL Jeremy Baye, Marrero (Shaw)
WR Chris Beard, Shreveport (Byrd)
LB Trupania Bonner, New Orleans (Jesuit)
QB Josh Booty, Shreveport (Evangel)
RB Kendall Cleveland,West Orange, Texas (Stark)
WR Chris Cummings, Dothan, Ala. (Dothan)
RB/SS Alja Delaney, Haughton (Haughton)
TE/LB Chad Ducre, Mandeville (Mandeville)
OL Alan Faneca, Rosenberg, TX (Lamar Consolidated)
LB Benaderyl Franklin, Moss Point, Miss. (Moss Point)
OL Eric Griffin, Galliano (South Lafourche)
QB Melvin Hill, Mansfield (Mansfield)
DB Raion Hill, New Orleans (Brother Martin)
OL Brian Humke, Bossier City (Airline)
DE Arnold Miller, New Orleans (Carver)
LB Matt Newchurch, Thibodaux (E.D. White)
PK Wade Richey, Carencro (Carencro)
TE Edward Singleton, Cecilia (Cecilia)
WR Eric Smith,Vero Beach, Fla. (NW Miss. JUCO)
OL Lee Stromberg, Monroe (Ouachita)
LB/DE Mike Sutton, New Orleans (Salmen)
CB Troy Twillie, Slidell (Slidell)
Can I get some ratings then?
Posted on 7/20/10 at 10:11 am to cj2002
quote:Saban is a program builder, Miles is not. In order for Miles to be good, all systems have to be in place and highly functioning. Saban can make a system work or correct it in real time. That's not to say that both of them don't make mistakes and have bad losses, but Saban's abilities to win under not ideal circumstances are well documented. Miles cannot sustain a high level at a program unless all of the elements are working perfectly for him.
Because when you compare the two they are not in the same universe. Saban is so much better its not even funny.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 11:01 am to tduecen
Find them yourself. One year, in particular, he brought in the top RB from three states. Jaime howard was a fairly big deal.... Kevin mawae might be in Canton one day.
Ryan Huffman was some big prospect. 1992 class was pretty good. Coming off of three straight losing seasons.
Kevin Franklin was supposed to be better than Warrick
Derrick Beavers was the shite out of carencro before ALLEYEZON3.
You copied and pasted rosters, find any ratings if you can. I'm telling you that year after year on radio stations and in print from guys like Emfinger... LSU brought in pretty good talent. Many didn't pan out, but a lot of those guys you listed were good football players.
What was your point?
Ryan Huffman was some big prospect. 1992 class was pretty good. Coming off of three straight losing seasons.
Kevin Franklin was supposed to be better than Warrick
Derrick Beavers was the shite out of carencro before ALLEYEZON3.
You copied and pasted rosters, find any ratings if you can. I'm telling you that year after year on radio stations and in print from guys like Emfinger... LSU brought in pretty good talent. Many didn't pan out, but a lot of those guys you listed were good football players.
What was your point?
Posted on 7/20/10 at 11:51 am to Tigerdandy
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Clueless, we had a subpar O line, a D learning a new system, a 19 yr old true So QB starting his 3 game at the yrs beginning,
Which one of these is not Miles' fault?
Subpar O line? Recruit and develop a better one. He's had five years.
D learning a new system? Don't frick it up with Co-DCs in the first place.
19 y.o. true soph with only 2 starts at QB? Don't frick up the 20 y.o. RS soph with 8 starts. Or recruit a better one in the five fricking years he's been here.
These are problems that he created. He has fricked up the team, and now you want to excuse the inevitable down turn because he has a fricked up team. Ridiculous.
This post was edited on 7/20/10 at 11:52 am
Posted on 7/20/10 at 11:52 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Miles cannot sustain a high level at a program unless all of the elements are working perfectly for him
Translation; as long as miles dosnt have to make any coaching adjustments and all the coaches and players are already in place he is fine. So how is that a great coach?
Posted on 7/20/10 at 12:03 pm to Nuts4LSU
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19 y.o. true soph with only 2 starts at QB? Don't frick up the 20 y.o. RS soph with 8 starts. Or recruit a better one in the five fricking years he's been here.
I agree with the point about JL however LM did recruit one RP. Recruiting is not the problem. It's keeping the recruits disciplined and in the program. There's another pretty good-looking QB on campus now that we may not keep.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 12:03 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Which one of these is not Miles' fault?
Subpar O line? Recruit and develop a better one. He's had five years.
D learning a new system? Don't frick it up with Co-DCs in the first place.
19 y.o. true soph with only 2 starts at QB? Don't frick up the 20 y.o. RS soph with 8 starts. Or recruit a better one in the five fricking years he's been here.
These are problems that he created. He has fricked up the team, and now you want to excuse the inevitable down turn because he has a fricked up team. Ridiculous.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 12:14 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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In order for Miles to be good, all systems have to be in place and highly functioning.
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Miles cannot sustain a high level at a program unless all of the elements are working perfectly for him.
this just isn't true. He did pretty well at OSU considering what the previous coaches left him.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 12:16 pm to Choctaw
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He did pretty well at OSU considering what the previous coaches left him.
And did VERY well with what Saban left him. BUT...........
Posted on 7/20/10 at 12:16 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Subpar O line? Recruit and develop a better one. He's had five years.
Its called attrition. It happens all over the country every year.
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D learning a new system? Don't frick it up with Co-DCs in the first place.
He made a mistake....he fixed it.
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19 y.o. true soph with only 2 starts at QB? Don't frick up the 20 y.o. RS soph with 8 starts.
what???
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Or recruit a better one in the five fricking years he's been here.
He did...his name was Perriloux.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 1:13 pm to RealityTiger
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Moronic? Delusional? I guess the entire sports world is de
Yea yea, cry us a river Saban lover.Posted on 7/20/10 at 1:17 pm to Chicot
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You are going to bash the guy for his opinion on the QB situation on the basis that he hasn't coached before? Am I ready that right? Then what the frick is your opinion based on, because
Yea, you are. This clown has been on this board for years lambasting the team, the coach(even when it was lord nick) and telling the world how things should be done. I had some of the other people who post on here tell me that the guy brags about having coaching experience when all he ever did was coach a peewee team.
All I offer is my opinion. I don't present it as gospel like most here do. I simply poke others who think they know it all and sound like all the old timers I have listened to since I was a kid going to games at TS. Loud, stupid, and drunk but they know it better than any coach who ever lived.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 1:19 pm to cj2002
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Because when you compare the two they are not in the same universe.
Idiot
Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:33 pm to bgtiger
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Find them yourself. One year, in particular, he brought in the top RB from three states. Jaime howard was a fairly big deal.... Kevin mawae might be in Canton one day.
Ryan Huffman was some big prospect. 1992 class was pretty good. Coming off of three straight losing seasons.
Kevin Franklin was supposed to be better than Warrick
Derrick Beavers was the shite out of carencro before ALLEYEZON3.
You copied and pasted rosters, find any ratings if you can. I'm telling you that year after year on radio stations and in print from guys like Emfinger... LSU brought in pretty good talent. Many didn't pan out, but a lot of those guys you listed were good football players.
What was your point?
Actually I copied and pasted the recruiting classes from those respective seasons under Hallman. Those were the prospects that came to LSU under Curley.
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