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re: Saban underachevied at LSU...here are the facts....

Posted on 7/19/10 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by TexTgrTed
Parker County, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/19/10 at 12:43 pm to
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Remember in 2002 we were 5-1 and mauck got hurt late against Florida.


I remember well. Season started miserably with flop @ VTU, then looked great against UF until the LSU coach had a brain fart & left Mauck in the game up 36-7 only to have him go down with a needless foot injury.

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Had to go with Marcus Randall.


You mean the same coach that left Mauck in too long at the Swamp didn't have a top-notch back-up QB in this 3rd year on the job? How's that possible?

$aban is a great coach, just not the perfect decision-maker the $abanistas would have us believe.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216467 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 12:50 pm to
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When it is happening in third quarter of games yet to be decided is when it becomes an issue.


TROY of 2008, and La Tech last year are prime examples of this.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33360 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 12:50 pm to
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ans expected him to continue to win 10+ games a year and challenge for SEC Championships. That hasn't happened past 2 years and those who hate come out.

Actually, I didn't really expect him to do that, so it was all gravy. I wouldn't even be on his arse if he had a team that looked good, competed hard every game, and ran a tight ship that looked like a real LSU team. For me it's not just the losses that bother me, it's the way he's running the team I think that sets the dangerous precedent, a precedent for mediocrity.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216467 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 12:53 pm to
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For me it's not just the losses that bother me, it's the way he's running the team I think that sets the dangerous precedent, a precedent for mediocrity.


We are strating to get some REALITY type people in this thread.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 1:02 pm to
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I wouldn't even be on his arse if he had a team that looked good, competed hard every game, and ran a tight ship that looked like a real LSU team. For me it's not just the losses that bother me, it's the way he's running the team I think that sets the dangerous precedent, a precedent for mediocrity.


I agree with the way he is losing, I mean I wish Les would act more like he did against Tennessee in 06 and you could actually tell he was upset. His ho-hum attitude about so many things is a turn off for many fans. I personally like to see my coach get upset, get fired up, get in someones face on the occasion.

I think he does run a tight ship, he removes players that continue to show they do not want to listen. As much as people get on Les for way he handled RP, Saban would have given him slack as well.
Les is a great recruiter, by the numbers you could argue a better recruiter than when Saban was here. The players like him, he gets along with his players.
I have said time and time again, Les is a good coach, he may not be a great coach. He needs great coordinators but those are harder and harder to find because every NCAA football team is looking for that next Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, and Jim Tressel.
I have problems when Ole Miss game happens, Saban had his share of mistakes the thing was you knew afterward those mistakes would not be repeated. Les does not give that same sense of competence that Saban did. That will always be Les's downfall the fans do not have faith he will right his mistakes, with Saban because he was so sure of himself and gave that impression it was easy for fans to trust him.
Posted by LJBurton
Member since Feb 2005
1397 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 1:02 pm to
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Fan base is weak when I go to Tiger Stadium against an SEC Foe and by the third quarter the stadium is half full.


The stadium is half full, because the product on the field has been pretty crappy lately. I, for one, have tired of seeing what an unprepared mess we are week after week. LSU deserves better.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33360 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 1:06 pm to
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tduecen
Good evaluation.

I mostly agree. I think Les runs a tight ship as in discipline off the field, I just wish he would apply the same type of discipline on the field, this is what I was referring to.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 1:09 pm to
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The stadium is half full, because the product on the field has been pretty crappy lately. I, for one, have tired of seeing what an unprepared mess we are week after week. LSU deserves better.


Then you must have never gone with Hallman was the coach. If you are only going to support a team when they are playing great then that is bandwagonish
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 1:17 pm to
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I mostly agree. I think Les runs a tight ship as in discipline off the field, I just wish he would apply the same type of discipline on the field, this is what I was referring to.


It isn't the amount of penalties that bother me it is when they happen. I mean LSU even under Saban was a penalized team but they were never to the point it cost LSU games. Here lately it is stupid penalties that have come at crucial times and cost us games.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 1:22 pm to
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I agree with the way he is losing, I mean I wish Les would act more like he did against Tennessee in 06 and you could actually tell he was upset. His ho-hum attitude about so many things is a turn off for many fans.


That shite drives me up the wall
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 1:57 pm to
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His ho-hum attitude about so many things is a turn off for many fans.


This is my main gripe about Miles. I wish he would treat every game as the most important game of the season. Then we wouldn't come within a few inches from losing to Miss. St and La Tech. His "Its just another game" type attitude bugs me.
Posted by LSUinMA
Commerce, Texas
Member since Nov 2008
4963 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 2:11 pm to
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Are you trying to impress us with your education ?



Are you trying to demonstrate how fricking stupid you are? If so, congratulations, it's working.
Posted by LJBurton
Member since Feb 2005
1397 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 3:31 pm to
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Then you must have never gone with Hallman was the coach. If you are only going to support a team when they are playing great then that is bandwagonish


Please find anywhere in my post where I said I only support a team when they are playing great. You must have failed reading comprehension in grammar school. I simply gave a legit reason as to why people leave early. Didn't say I did, because I don't.

That said, Miles' teams are a mess. There are serious problems with LSU football that are apparent for anyone who cares to look ... and there have been for a while now.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 3:39 pm to
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Please find anywhere in my post where I said I only support a team when they are playing great. You must have failed reading comprehension in grammar school. I simply gave a legit reason as to why people leave early. Didn't say I did, because I don't.


Oh I am willing to bet you are one of those who left in middle of third quarter over the past 3 years. You needed to beat traffic I would guess, like many other ranters.

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That said, Miles' teams are a mess. There are serious problems with LSU football that are apparent for anyone who cares to look ... and there have been for a while now.


There hasn't been problems for "awhile" unless you would like to consider last year and 08 "awhile" which would be a couple.
What serious problems would there be as well? Recruiting is still high, character is still high, the program is still winning at a decent clip. The past 2 years have been rough and this is an important year for Les Miles but many of you act as Curly is out there and you have been going through losing seasons for 5 seasons.
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 3:45 pm to
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I don't know what you have been watching...


LSU football. What have YOU been watching? Because if you agree with that moronic claim by the poster I called bullshite on then you are just as delusional as he is.
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 3:46 pm to
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Not bullshite at all. This is very true.


Don't you have a little league game to play in? Get lost kid. Nobody here wants a kids opinion.
Posted by Flyin Tighas
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/19/10 at 4:46 pm to
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Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 4:59 pm to
Says someone who has multiple contributions to this thread
Posted by Flyin Tighas
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Member since Sep 2009
1780 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 5:07 pm to



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Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216467 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 5:09 pm to
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LSU football. What have YOU been watching? Because if you agree with that moronic claim by the poster I called bullshite on then you are just as delusional as he is.



You are about as dumb as a bucket of snot!!!!
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