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Running on contact from third base
Posted on 5/18/15 at 6:06 am
Posted on 5/18/15 at 6:06 am
How do you feel about a runner on third running on contact no matter what?
It seems LSU has too many runners thrown out at the plate because of this philosophy. I would like to see the runner take a half-second and make a read on the ball to decide whether to take off or not.
It seems LSU has too many runners thrown out at the plate because of this philosophy. I would like to see the runner take a half-second and make a read on the ball to decide whether to take off or not.
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Posted on 5/18/15 at 6:09 am to gumbeaux
The idea is that any ball hit on the ground somewhere other than pitcher or rocked at 1/3 and the run scores. If you don't run on contact (actually running on down angle, see ball on ground and go) then you have to stay until the ball is in the outfield.
If you hesitate for 1/2 a second any ground ball in the infield and you are getting thrown out
If you hesitate for 1/2 a second any ground ball in the infield and you are getting thrown out
Posted on 5/18/15 at 6:14 am to Tiger1242
Has to be a perfect throw ... Odds are in your favor.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 6:16 am to Tiger1242
quote:Don't overlook this. A 1/2 second (in this scenario) is a VERY long time.
If you hesitate for 1/2 a second any ground ball in the infield and you are getting thrown out
Posted on 5/18/15 at 6:21 am to tiger chaser
Not really. We generally get thrown out. As long as its a hard grounder and not a chopper, a decent throw to the plate nails us. Important to note LSU only seems to do this with a runner at 3rd and 1 out, never with 0 outs.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 6:28 am to Tiger1242
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The idea is that any ball hit on the ground somewhere other than pitcher or rocked at 1/3 and the run scores. If you don't run on contact (actually running on down angle, see ball on ground and go) then you have to stay until the ball is in the outfield.
I have seen LSU take off too many times with grounders to third or first. That is my concern. The same goes with the middle infielders playing in.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 6:53 am to gumbeaux
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How do you feel about
I "feel" that CM and his staff spent lots of time reviewing the odds given their understanding of the players' physical abilities. I haven't at all. I'll add that the number of times a runner gets gunned down at the plate isn't really the relevant number - what matters is how many scores do you get when you run on contact vs. not doing so.
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 6:54 am
Posted on 5/18/15 at 7:24 am to foshizzle
Agree
Posted on 5/18/15 at 7:36 am to foshizzle
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I "feel" that CM and his staff spent lots of time reviewing the odds given their understanding of the players' physical abilities.
along with "game context", ie the score, who's pitching, opponents fielding history, other runners on base, what inning it is, etc.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 8:21 am to ForeLSU
Yes, it's no secret that LSU this year has had trouble with runners at third with less than two outs.
What is understated is the reason this seems like a bigger problem than it really is.
This team has had way more of those opportunities than any LSU team in several years. This offense is crushing it, and the more baserunners you have, the more mistakes will happen.
What is understated is the reason this seems like a bigger problem than it really is.
This team has had way more of those opportunities than any LSU team in several years. This offense is crushing it, and the more baserunners you have, the more mistakes will happen.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 8:35 am to josh336
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Important to note LSU only seems to do this with a runner at 3rd and 1 out, never with 0 outs.
imo, this is the biggest factor when choosing whether or not to go on contact.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 8:41 am to gumbeaux
The runner and third base coach have to be aware how the infielders are positioned. Sometimes all four will come in in order to cut the runner down at the plate. Other times only the corner positions are in and the middle fielders remain back at normal depth. Too often an LSU runner will take off on a ball hit to second when the second baseman is in on the grass. Diminishes our odds of a successful outcome.
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 8:42 am
Posted on 5/18/15 at 8:47 am to gumbeaux
I think predetermining that you will always run home is a bad idea.
We do some strange things on the bases. How Scivique didn't score on those two ground balls on Friday is beyond my comprehension.
We do some strange things on the bases. How Scivique didn't score on those two ground balls on Friday is beyond my comprehension.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 8:54 am to gumbeaux
I wish runners on first, who are NOT the winning run, would pay more attention and quit getting hit by the ball
Posted on 5/18/15 at 8:55 am to gumbeaux
Stevenson scoring in the 3rd USC game is one of the reasons it is done. It puts pressure on the defense to make a play. Plus if the runner on 3rd freezes after the secondary lead, there is a chance the fielder throws that way anyway to get them in a rundown which has also happened this year too.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:35 am to Oizers
Running on contact places more pressure on the defense. The runner has just two jobs, run fast and avoid the tag.There is no time lost mentally debating, just go.
The defense has to 1. catch the ball, 2. get it out of his glove, 3. line himself up to make the throw, 4. make the throw in the right spot and fast enough, 5. the catcher has to catch the ball and 6. make the tag.
It forces the other guy(s) to make a play. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. I like the odds for the runner.
The defense has to 1. catch the ball, 2. get it out of his glove, 3. line himself up to make the throw, 4. make the throw in the right spot and fast enough, 5. the catcher has to catch the ball and 6. make the tag.
It forces the other guy(s) to make a play. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. I like the odds for the runner.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:50 am to Erin Go Bragh
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The runner and third base coach have to be aware how the infielders are positioned.
Please tell me that you don't really believe that Davis and the runner have no idea where the infield is playing?
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:01 am to Choupique19
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Please tell me that you don't really believe that Davis and the runner have no idea where the infield is playing?
I was stating a basic tenent of baserunning. Tell me you didn't infer something I didn't say.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:03 am to Erin Go Bragh
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The runner and third base coach have to be aware how the infielders are positioned.
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Too often an LSU runner will take off on a ball hit to second when the second baseman is in on the grass. Diminishes our odds of a successful outcome.
I thought you were saying that the LSU runners and 3rd base coach weren't aware of where the infielders were positioned.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:06 am to Choupique19
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I thought you were saying that the LSU runners and 3rd base coach weren't aware of where the infielders were positioned.
That wasn't my intent. I am saying that at times they will take off with complete awareness that the infield is playing in and that a successful outcome is problematic.
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