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Posted on 3/22/09 at 2:29 pm to
Posted by slaughlin
North Dad Gum Louisiana
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 3/22/09 at 2:29 pm to
You may be right, but who do you want to win it all? UNC wins, it can't help but make us look a little better. And by the way, I'm not the one with Bama on my sig thing
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70042 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 2:31 pm to



you take the bama thing way too personally. i really cant see how some of you guys can criticize some of these players/coaches without ever being in their shoes.

btw i went to LSU and considering bama to get my doctorate. everyone knows its not wise to get ur undergrad and advcanced degrees at the same institution.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18792 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

LSU really had them on the ropes the beginning of the second half and let them off, they settled for "oh well we played UNC close" can't do that.


I agree and so does Trent. He said he's not into moral victories.

We made some bad decisions with the ball after we tied it at 63 and those silly turnovers did us in.

And that one sequence where they got three cracks at it and ended up with a 3. We had our hands on one of those boards and couldn't secure it. That was a back-breaker.
Posted by slaughlin
North Dad Gum Louisiana
Member since Apr 2008
3200 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 2:35 pm to
Just foolin with you on the Bama thing, but when did I criticize any coach/player?
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 3:16 pm to
Roy is a good recruiter, but an average coach. He has ONE national title, and the only reason he won that?

Marvin Williams - Lottery
Sean May - Lottery
Raymond Felton - Lottery
Rashad McCants - Lottery

Any hack could have success with that stout of a lineup. He has more talent than anyone in the country this year, but he'll be outclassed by a better coach when he runs into a team with even similar talent.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42412 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 3:24 pm to
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Marvin Williams - Lottery
Sean May - Lottery
Raymond Felton - Lottery
Rashad McCants - Lottery

Any hack could have success with that stout of a lineup. He has more talent than anyone in the country this year, but he'll be outclassed by a better coach when he runs into a team with even similar talent.


Right Matt Doherty won the NC the year before with that exact lineup minus Williams.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 3:31 pm to
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Right Matt Doherty won the NC the year before with that exact lineup minus Williams.


Williams was there the year before the national title you so called UNC fan. GTFO
Posted by Nearl
Town
Member since Feb 2009
804 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 3:42 pm to
Who cares? Roy Williams is a good coach. Trent Johnson is a good coach. Both of the teams are good. UNC proved to be better.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 3:43 pm to
Roy Williams has definitely had to work in his last 25 years, but I do think he is a below average coach.
Posted by kclsufan
Show Me
Member since Jun 2008
12101 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 3:55 pm to
Roy's a good coach, but not a great one. He couldn't win it all at KU despite having his pick of the litter recruiting-wise. Roy's teams could run and shoot, but struggled with stopping teams with power inside games. They were his Achilles heel. He won his NC at UNC because May gave him an inside power player unlike a typical Roy recruit. In other words, he won with another coaches players. Until he wins at least one with his own players, he'll always be just a good coach.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139558 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 3:57 pm to
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You may be right, but who do you want to win it all? UNC wins, it can't help but make us look a little better.
I think Daddy Dale lost the the majority of his NCAAs to the eventual National Champion. In the end a loss is a loss. To take solace in it just indicates how far the program fell this past decade. Thanks in no small part to Roy Williams.

Anyway, this team certainly exceeded expectations. TJ did a very good job IMO. Hopefully, with some solid recruiting we'll be in a position once again to feel like we've got a shot at bigger things in future NCAAs.
Posted by wilfont
Gulfport, MS on a Jet Ski
Member since Apr 2007
14860 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 3:58 pm to
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Respect, recognition, pride, atl least to feel good for a fricking while. Take your pick

Honestly if we need a nod from Roy Williams for us to feel validated, we're in trouble.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 6:13 pm to
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Yea, he only has won 81% of his games, won 12 league championships, won more games his first 15 years as a HC than any other coach, has a NC, been Coach of the Year 4 times...yea he is a fraud.


Don't respond when you're clueless. If you're an LSU basketball fan, you might know what I am alluding to...but you don't.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 6:17 pm to
Kracka, just keep blowing Roy. He replaced two awesome coaches (minus Daughtery was a foolish hire/promotion...so let's just say he was the first big fish to come after Smith) to begin with. He ain't doing, in today's era, what Trent Johnson has done and that's win with nameless, inconsistent, or non-face recognition programs in Nevada, Stanford, and now LSU. And where are the multi c'ships from Kansas and UNC?
This post was edited on 3/22/09 at 6:18 pm
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 6:25 pm to
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With out Lawson UNC is just another good team and Tyler Hansbrough isn't that great.


Overstatement. They're both great college players that give them the chance to win it all.
Posted by Cornholio
LaPlace
Member since Nov 2007
8282 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 7:53 pm to
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that what happens when mofo's win a NC and think there a legend. you right, frick him.




where did you learn to speak (or type) english? Hopefully not at LSU


I didn't know the rant turned into grammar class.
Posted by lukestar
Parts unknown
Member since Dec 2004
3535 posts
Posted on 3/22/09 at 8:36 pm to
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Don't respond when you're clueless. If you're an LSU basketball fan, you might know what I am alluding to...but you don't.

Feel free to clue me in...you say he is a fraud, I think he is a good coach...If he was at LSU you would probably have a different thought.
This post was edited on 3/22/09 at 8:43 pm
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 3/23/09 at 12:56 am to
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Feel free to clue me in...you say he is a fraud, I think he is a good coach...If he was at LSU you would probably have a different thought.


I will not be a jerk here. Instead, I would just ask you to remember what happened when LSU was put on probation. It was our own faults, but Roy certainly didn't do us any favors.

I do think he is a good coach - better than average. He is not in my top 10, however, as I judge basketball coaches with what they do based on what they are given, as well as consistency. Roy will never have a bad team because he is at arguably one of the three best basketball universities in the country. Any 5 star basketball kid would put UNC in his top 5 for schools to visit. Roy, however, has one c'ship with 20 years as HC of both Kansas and UNC - two of the top 10 programs in America.

Meanwhile, Jim Calhoun has two in 20 seasons at U Conn - a school that has only been on the radar basically since he came from Northeastern. Mark Few has Gonzaga winning c'ships and making Sweet 16's. Our very won Trent Johnson has taken three different teams to league success pinnacles. Tom Crean made Marquette a powerhouse again (and probably wishes, sometimes, that he was still there) since Rick Majerus. There are a lot of coaches who could win with UNC. I do not think Roy makes UNC. UNC makes Roy. That said, he wins 25-32 games a year, but so could others. Until he wins another c'ship (to give him two), I have to put him in the same category with the likes of Tubby Smith and Steve Fisher - coaches who were handed the keys to the Ferrari and allowed the school's name to help maintain the program's success.
This post was edited on 3/23/09 at 12:57 am
Posted by donnie052768
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2007
553 posts
Posted on 3/23/09 at 1:06 am to
quote:

14 points is not close


Did you watch the game at all? To say that wasn't a close game would mean you didn't watch the game. You must have saw the score as it passed the bottom of the screen on ESPN.
Posted by CarolinaBlue704
Charlotte,NC
Member since Mar 2009
11 posts
Posted on 3/23/09 at 1:45 am to
i think you underestimated how difficult it is to coach at a school like(UNC,Kentucky,Kansas).its not easy to win national championships when you constantly have your best players leaving early for the NBA.even this years UNC team lost a VERY important players in Brandon Wright and marvin williams to the NBA.with them UNC most definitely would have won the title last year and probably wins it again easy this year.and its not easy to get a roster full of high school all americans to coexist and play as a TEAM.remember these guys were stars in high school and all of them want to improve their "stock" for the NBA.Roy does a great job of getting these guys to play as a team despite all this.

roy may not be the greatest coach when it comes X's and O's of basketball,but hes probably the best recruiter in the nation and one of the best at messing talent.my point is his job is not as easy as you think.and had it not been for Wright and Marvin leaving early for the NBA he would have 2 national titles in his trophy case,and likely 3 after this season.

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I will not be a jerk here. Instead, I would just ask you to remember what happened when LSU was put on probation. It was our own faults, but Roy certainly didn't do us any favors. I do think he is a good coach - better than average. He is not in my top 10, however, as I judge basketball coaches with what they do based on what they are given, as well as consistency. Roy will never have a bad team because he is at arguably one of the three best basketball universities in the country. Any 5 star basketball kid would put UNC in his top 5 for schools to visit. Roy, however, has one c'ship with 20 years as HC of both Kansas and UNC - two of the top 10 programs in America. Meanwhile, Jim Calhoun has two in 20 seasons at U Conn - a school that has only been on the radar basically since he came from Northeastern. Mark Few has Gonzaga winning c'ships and making Sweet 16's. Our very won Trent Johnson has taken three different teams to league success pinnacles. Tom Crean made Marquette a powerhouse again (and probably wishes, sometimes, that he was still there) since Rick Majerus. There are a lot of coaches who could win with UNC. I do not think Roy makes UNC. UNC makes Roy. That said, he wins 25-32 games a year, but so could others. Until he wins another c'ship (to give him two), I have to put him in the same category with the likes of Tubby Smith and Steve Fisher - coaches who were handed the keys to the Ferrari and allowed the school's name to help maintain the program's success.
This post was edited on 3/23/09 at 2:12 am
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