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Rewatching the Fiesta Bowl - Thoughts on Burrow.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 2:45 pm
LSU's offense exploded the back half of the season, and I think we see more of that in even bigger fashion in 2019. It looked like something clicked against UGA, and aside from facing the nation's bets defenses, Burrow was a tremendous asset. He looked really sharp against TAMU and UCF, regardless of their defensive woes. I think he really turns heads in 2019 and improves his draft stock to a mid-late round grade.
The only thing that worries me is how much abuse he takes. Reminds me a lot of Etling in terms of toughness and heart, which is great. But for the sake of his future beyond football, I really hope Brady and Ensminger are talking to him about protecting himself more.
I think he doesn't get enough credit for how well he runs. He really seems like the new breed of QB that has been popping up lately, albeit maybe with a bit weaker arm. If he can protect himself this season and really show that he's accurate and a good decision maker (showed this a lot last year), I think he can fly under the radar and be a late round steal for an NFL team.
The only thing that worries me is how much abuse he takes. Reminds me a lot of Etling in terms of toughness and heart, which is great. But for the sake of his future beyond football, I really hope Brady and Ensminger are talking to him about protecting himself more.
I think he doesn't get enough credit for how well he runs. He really seems like the new breed of QB that has been popping up lately, albeit maybe with a bit weaker arm. If he can protect himself this season and really show that he's accurate and a good decision maker (showed this a lot last year), I think he can fly under the radar and be a late round steal for an NFL team.
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 5:23 pm
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Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:02 pm to Odysseus32
Agree with the progression. It was evident, but even more evident was the weakness of our OT's. I really believe this season hinges on Charles'/Deculus's/whoever's ability to improve their first step and pass pro. Give Joe a shot and he'll win, especially with the weapons we've surrounded him with.
With that said, he did take some abuse, but it's nothing we've never seen before. His ability to run will be crucial to the offense's success going forward, and I fully expect O, CSE, and Brady to give him plenty of options to do so. Excited to see what's in store for us.
With that said, he did take some abuse, but it's nothing we've never seen before. His ability to run will be crucial to the offense's success going forward, and I fully expect O, CSE, and Brady to give him plenty of options to do so. Excited to see what's in store for us.
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:15 pm to Odysseus32
quote:We saw the potential of the offense in that game, but happened to get shut out later in the season if you remember.
It looked like something clicked against UGA,
And if Joe gets drafted at all he should be thrilled.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:18 pm to madddoggydawg
I said going into last season he'll be starting the season green and we'll only see him progress. He did just that.
Yes, he can run and will get drilled doing so. He'll have a target on him. He will run more this year. We can only hope Brennan can come in and pick up where Joe left off. I want Joe healthy for Bama. Beat those terds.
Yes, he can run and will get drilled doing so. He'll have a target on him. He will run more this year. We can only hope Brennan can come in and pick up where Joe left off. I want Joe healthy for Bama. Beat those terds.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:27 pm to madddoggydawg
I do remember. That's why I stated that against the top defenses in the nation he struggled. Those being Miss State, who IMO had the best defense in the entire country, and Alabama.
From UGA on (taking out 2 of the 15 best defenses in the nation) he faced Georgia, Arkansas, Rice, TAMU, and UCF.
96/151, 64%, 1366 yards, 10 TDs, 1 INT. He also ran for 5 TDs.
Aside from UGA I know those defenses were pretty bad. But even against bad defenses in the past we haven't seen a QB be responsible for 15 TDs with 1 turnover and be efficient in the process since Mettenberger. I didn't look up stats for all the QBs in the past decade, but I'd be thrilled to learn I'm wrong here.
I'm not saying he's Joe Montana. I'm saying that we shouldn't be surprised at a genuinely good offense if Burrow keeps progressing this off season.
With an easier schedule than last year, I don't think 3500+ total yards and 30+ TDs is unrealistic for Burrow.
From UGA on (taking out 2 of the 15 best defenses in the nation) he faced Georgia, Arkansas, Rice, TAMU, and UCF.
96/151, 64%, 1366 yards, 10 TDs, 1 INT. He also ran for 5 TDs.
Aside from UGA I know those defenses were pretty bad. But even against bad defenses in the past we haven't seen a QB be responsible for 15 TDs with 1 turnover and be efficient in the process since Mettenberger. I didn't look up stats for all the QBs in the past decade, but I'd be thrilled to learn I'm wrong here.
I'm not saying he's Joe Montana. I'm saying that we shouldn't be surprised at a genuinely good offense if Burrow keeps progressing this off season.
With an easier schedule than last year, I don't think 3500+ total yards and 30+ TDs is unrealistic for Burrow.
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:27 pm to Odysseus32
We had a very traditional offense that relies heavily on execution and beating your guy.
When we played teams that didn’t have anywhere near the players we had we could do that very well.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that we were running by UCF and Rice DBs.
When we played teams that didn’t have anywhere near the players we had we could do that very well.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that we were running by UCF and Rice DBs.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:30 pm to Odysseus32
What did the UCF defense rank? How many did Memphis score on them?
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:31 pm to JGuidry7
There is lots of JJ#9 haters, however, JJ could take a beating and get up!
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:39 pm to Odysseus32
it was the first time he stepped up in the pocket all season
course it may have been the competition
course it may have been the competition
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:43 pm to Odysseus32
quote:
rate and a good decision maker (showed this a lot last year), I think he can fly under the radar and be a late round steal for an NFL team
Play his way into the third round or so. He's better than a lot of people give him credit for.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:44 pm to Odysseus32
quote:He had to face some NCAA fairly highly ranked passing defenses
I do remember. That's why I stated that against the top defenses in the nation he struggled. Those being Miss State, who IMO had the best defense in the entire country, and Alabama.
#1 - Miami
#7 - Miss St
#12 - Georgia
#13 - Florida
#28 - La Tech
LINK
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 3:57 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing, but aside from UGA he didn't look too impressive in any of those games.
Miami, MSU, UGA, Florida, La Tech, Bama stat line:
110/213, 52%, 1TD 4INT, 0 rush TDs.
I think it's tough to judge him completely on one season, especially when he faced his best defenses at the beginning of the year when he was first learning the playbook.
In The UGA game he made plays when necessary. It was something we saw against Auburn, although some of those plays looked a bit flukey, so I think it's really tough to point to that as an example of him being clutch and/or good. He didn't have a superb stat line against UGA but he showed that even against a top 20 defense he could command the offense and score points.
Sharp regression against MSU and Bama, but then when the end of the season came he did what he had to do. Which is what has been missing for so long at LSU; an offense that handles business COUPLED with a dominant defense.
We saw it in 11. We almost saw it with Mettenberger (2012 great D while Mett was getting settled in. 2013 dominant offense with a pretty average defense). I think we see that combination this year. Yeah we lost White, but we have Divinity, Queen, Baskerville, Chaisson, and Phillips. All of those dudes are ballers.
Burrow is a good, mature QB who I truly believe will turn heads in 2019.
Miami, MSU, UGA, Florida, La Tech, Bama stat line:
110/213, 52%, 1TD 4INT, 0 rush TDs.
I think it's tough to judge him completely on one season, especially when he faced his best defenses at the beginning of the year when he was first learning the playbook.
In The UGA game he made plays when necessary. It was something we saw against Auburn, although some of those plays looked a bit flukey, so I think it's really tough to point to that as an example of him being clutch and/or good. He didn't have a superb stat line against UGA but he showed that even against a top 20 defense he could command the offense and score points.
Sharp regression against MSU and Bama, but then when the end of the season came he did what he had to do. Which is what has been missing for so long at LSU; an offense that handles business COUPLED with a dominant defense.
We saw it in 11. We almost saw it with Mettenberger (2012 great D while Mett was getting settled in. 2013 dominant offense with a pretty average defense). I think we see that combination this year. Yeah we lost White, but we have Divinity, Queen, Baskerville, Chaisson, and Phillips. All of those dudes are ballers.
Burrow is a good, mature QB who I truly believe will turn heads in 2019.
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 4:09 pm to Odysseus32
quote:Tough to impossible. Particularly when he had maybe a month of practice with the offense in any organized way.
I think it's tough to judge him completely on one season,
With the new scheme and with over a year with his WRs and O-Line I expect a sea change in the passing game.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 4:10 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
He had to face some NCAA fairly highly ranked passing defenses
#1 - Miami
#7 - Miss St
#12 - Georgia
#13 - Florida
#28 - La Tech
And some that weren't.
#33 - Alabama
#50 - UCF
#58 - Auburn
# 87 - Arkansas
#98 - Texas A&M
#111 - Ole Miss
#124 - Rice
And an SE Louisiana team that was ranked somewhere in the middle of the pack defensively in the FCS ranks.
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 4:19 pm to Odysseus32
quote:
Miami, MSU, UGA, Florida, La Tech, Bama stat line:
110/213, 52%, 1TD 4INT, 0 rush TDs.
Burrow had an entirely mediocre season at best in 2018.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 4:19 pm to Odysseus32
Burrow has at least two,balls to,Chase that were very good throws and caughtmbynChase inside the one. Jefferson dropped one. Burrow is a good bit better than Etling. Etling had Fournette and Guice. Etling first year he had a.solid offensive line. Year two line was average at best.
I speculate that 3500 yards is within reach. 30 TDS and such stuff depends on injuries. How much Brennan plays and does O let LSU runup the score.
Very very dependent on offensive tackle play. Probably the difference between 9 and 3 and 11 and 1. Is Emery a 1200 yard runner?
I speculate that 3500 yards is within reach. 30 TDS and such stuff depends on injuries. How much Brennan plays and does O let LSU runup the score.
Very very dependent on offensive tackle play. Probably the difference between 9 and 3 and 11 and 1. Is Emery a 1200 yard runner?
Posted on 6/16/19 at 4:41 pm to Damone
Wow, Damone. You and Otis are completely clueless about how much time it takes to develop a passing game among a QB, O-Line, and WRs. But you seem so wonderfully proud of your ignorance that it is truly a joy for me to observe! Many Thanks!!!
LOL!!!!
LOL!!!!
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:00 pm to Damone
Without any context, sure.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:02 pm to JGuidry7
Dude is a helluva leader and one tough SOB
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:07 pm to Odysseus32
What’s the excus... I mean context?
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