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re: Remember days of going into first game of season knowing that anywhere from 5-10 players

Posted on 9/2/22 at 6:06 pm to
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 9/2/22 at 6:06 pm to
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There were a shitload at the beginning of 2017. LINK O wouldn’t publish a list, but there were definitely more than the 3 named in the article to start that season. Some of you have very short memories.



This is still very different than 5-10 every season.

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It's not uncommon for a high number of players to miss the first game of the college football regular season due to disciplinary matters. Florida has already suspended 10 student-athletes ahead of the Gators' clash with Michigan at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas, on Saturday.


This was in the article, but that’s 10 UF players.
This post was edited on 9/2/22 at 6:07 pm
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/2/22 at 7:27 pm to
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This was in the article, but that’s 10 UF players.


Well, Mullen wasn’t as smart as he thought and always ran a loose ship. He suffered the same fate as O for it, as well.

Everyone can pile on the OP over technicalities, but look at the number of suspensions (over 5 seasons, not just 1 off-season), dismissals, transfers (even before the portal started) and flat-out busts over O’s tenure. We lost half or more of 2 highly ranked recruiting classes and that’s why we are where we are today and one of many reasons why O is gone. Suspensions going into each season were just one of many signs that the man couldn’t manage a program and maintain discipline.
Posted by timm6971463
oakdale la
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Posted on 9/2/22 at 8:09 pm to
I dont emember that and I doubt that you do !
Posted by RightWingTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/2/22 at 8:21 pm to
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Can you really not think of any situations where starters under Miles and O were questionable based on off the field situations?

OP said 5-10 players. Thats quite a bit different than 1 in 2019 & ONE other in 2011, No?
Posted by RightWingTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/2/22 at 8:36 pm to
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Everyone can pile on the OP over technicalities

Pointing out the blatant exaggeration & obvious inaccuracies of his post is hardly “Piling On” IMO!
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28105 posts
Posted on 9/2/22 at 10:02 pm to
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Pointing out the blatant exaggeration & obvious inaccuracies of his post is hardly “Piling On” IMO!


I guess O was just unlucky and we were a well-run, perfectly oiled and disciplined machine over the last two years, right?

We may not have had 5-10 players suspended every year, but we did have 4 guys suspended indefinitely heading into 2017 (Ingram, Tyler Taylor, Drake Davis and Kristian Fulton) and others who were either dismissed or served long suspensions in the years after that (Adrian Magee, Maea Teuhema, Dee Anderson, Dontae Starks, Ray Parker, and Peter Parrish). Most of these suspensions and/or dismissals weren’t for minor issues, and this also isn’t an exhaustive list. There were others suspended for bowl games or for fewer games.
This post was edited on 9/2/22 at 10:04 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/2/22 at 10:18 pm to
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Everyone can pile on the OP over technicalities, but look at the number of suspensions (over 5 seasons, not just 1 off-season), dismissals, transfers (even before the portal started) and flat-out busts over O’s tenure.
in this year, under Kelly, we have 2 players suspended, dismissals, and several transfers. And yes, the transfer portal was here for Orgeron's tenure. It didn't just start last year.
Posted by GeauxLSUBengalTigers
Member since Sep 2016
423 posts
Posted on 9/2/22 at 10:37 pm to
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It’s incredible we won two national titles while going 18 years with sub par coaching.
You're an idiot. Maybe Les wasn't a good game day manager, but he and the coaches he put around him were damn good. No way sub par coaching averages 9 to 10 game win seasons.
This post was edited on 9/2/22 at 10:40 pm
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28105 posts
Posted on 9/2/22 at 11:56 pm to
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in this year, under Kelly, we have 2 players suspended, dismissals, and several transfers. And yes, the transfer portal was here for Orgeron's tenure. It didn't just start last year.


There is absolutely no context to be found in your response. The guys I listed off were suspended or bounced for rape, assault, drugs, etc. Emery and Raydar were for academics and Emery is just finishing out his suspension from last year thanks to the NCAA’s arbitrary choice for the number of games to equal a full season. Are you really comparing them to guys like Drake Davis and Ray Parker?

Sure, there were a couple of guys like Palmer and McGlothern who were told to hit the bricks, but as far as we know, Kelly hasn’t dismissed anyone for the kinds of allegations and infractions we were seeing across O’s tenure. Besides, anyone who’s been dealt with was a product of Kelly having to clean house and fix the broken culture that O left here. It’s insane the lengths that some of you are going to in this thread to minimize the problems over the past 4 years and act like this off-season hasn’t been an improvement.

The transfer portal wasn’t started until October of 2018, so it didn’t have any impact until O’s third season, which is what I was pointing out with that comment.
This post was edited on 9/2/22 at 11:59 pm
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28105 posts
Posted on 9/3/22 at 12:02 am to
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You're an idiot. Maybe Les wasn't a good game day manager, but he and the coaches he put around him were damn good. No way sub par coaching averages 9 to 10 game win seasons.


Les Miles wasn’t even close to the same level of coach from 2014-2016 that he was from 2005-2007. He lost his edge and didn’t adapt. At the end, he wasn’t a good coach anymore and he would have had a losing season if he had finished 2016.
Posted by Lsutigerturner
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 9/3/22 at 12:19 am to
That wasn’t valentine
Posted by Jenar Boy
Elsewhere
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/3/22 at 12:24 am to
2011 Tyrann, Spencer Ware, & I’m positive that there was at least two more that missed the Auburn game. Jordan Jefferson missed the first 6 or 7 games.

I don’t remember it ever being 5-10 that missed but it was definitely a problem under Les & O. I distinctly remember holding my breath all through fall camp every year wondering who would be suspended and for how long.
Posted by GeauxLSUBengalTigers
Member since Sep 2016
423 posts
Posted on 9/3/22 at 1:10 pm to
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Les Miles wasn’t even close to the same level of coach from 2014-2016 that he was from 2005-2007. He lost his edge and didn’t adapt. At the end, he wasn’t a good coach anymore and he would have had a losing season if he had finished 2016.
He said it was incredible a title was won with subpar coaching. Do you think Les was subpar in that moment? If so, you're a damn fool too.
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