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re: Rematches and "fairness"...rules of the BCS National Championship are laid out
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:32 pm to therick711
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:32 pm to therick711
The idea you "only" get one chance is an OPINION, not a rule or fact.
The BCS Championship is not awarded to the winner of a specific regular season game, winner of a confererence or division or anything else. Doesn't matter if its a team you beat, lost to, or played on Pluto as a planet or just some object in space.
All the rules of the BCS National Championship game state is No. 1 will play No. 2.
If a bloc of voters think Bama/Oregon is clearly the second best team, but vote them lower than they believe they are and another team higher, then then have corrupted the process...its them arbitrarily projecting their opinion about non-field issues.
The rules don't say beating No. 2 (if you're #1) in the regular season makes you champion, they say beating No. 2 in the championship game does.
The BCS Championship is not awarded to the winner of a specific regular season game, winner of a confererence or division or anything else. Doesn't matter if its a team you beat, lost to, or played on Pluto as a planet or just some object in space.
All the rules of the BCS National Championship game state is No. 1 will play No. 2.
If a bloc of voters think Bama/Oregon is clearly the second best team, but vote them lower than they believe they are and another team higher, then then have corrupted the process...its them arbitrarily projecting their opinion about non-field issues.
The rules don't say beating No. 2 (if you're #1) in the regular season makes you champion, they say beating No. 2 in the championship game does.
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:36 pm to RoscoTheTiger
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Problem is BCS ranking is 2/3 human polls. And there is no guideline for the voters to determine who to vote as #2. So if a voter feels a previous loss to the #1 eliminates a team in their vote from contention to be in that spot, then so be it. Their line of thinking may be "hey we know these two teams didn't beat #1, so let's see if another team can."
Dumbest rationale I have heard, and I realize you are just regurgitating this from the BCS countdown, but how is there no guideline for voting who you think is the second best team?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:38 pm to BoudreauxinGA
quote:I could be wrong, but I don't think we got credit for beating UGA in the SECCG because it was a second win against them.
Our wins there propelled us ahead of USC in 2003 and ahead of VA Tech, Kansas, and Georgia after beating Tenn.
ETA: " If a team registers a victory over a team more than once during the regular season, quality points will be awarded just once."
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:42 pm to lsusa
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f a bloc of voters think Bama/Oregon is clearly the second best team, but vote them lower than they believe they are and another team higher, then then have corrupted the process...its them arbitrarily projecting their opinion about non-field issues.
You keep saying this but have yet to state what rules are in place to help voters determine which teams they should rank where. How can they corrupt a process that is not actually set in stone? Is there some written criteria you've failed to post that forces voters to rank teams based on certain criteria?
While it's true that #1 will play #2, there is no rule that states how those teams are to be determined...correct?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:42 pm to lsusa
STFU
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:43 pm to lsusa
quote:Well then if they are the #2 team the game should be played because it already has.... We win.
If Alabama or Oregon is rightfully the 2nd best team, and the voters "manipulate" the system for any reason to avoid a "rematch", then it is unfair to LSU and all of college football because the rules have been changed after the games have started.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:45 pm to TigerDeBaiter
quote:Because it's subjective.
but how is there no guideline for voting who you think is the second best team?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:47 pm to lsusa
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If Alabama or Oregon is rightfully the 2nd best team, and the voters "manipulate" the system for any reason to avoid a "rematch", then it is unfair to LSU and all of college football because the rules have been changed after the games have started.
Uh, how is that unfair? They do it every single week. Derp logic right there.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:47 pm to lsusa
No one said the rules say that. That is the straw man you've set up. The BCS formula was purposefully changed so that the voters could get the outcome they desired. You can thank OU for that. So now, the voter can play kingmaker. That isn't corrupting the process--that is the process. LSU's win didn't make them champion, but it did help ensure that Bama won't be the champion.
Don't worry, I'm sure the Gumps will cry about it and get the process changed to their benefit just like USC did with the SoS component. This is why it should be a rule that you must win a conference to play in the BCSNG because people won't give this stuff a rest.
By the way, all this talk about the "process" makes you sound like Saban
Don't worry, I'm sure the Gumps will cry about it and get the process changed to their benefit just like USC did with the SoS component. This is why it should be a rule that you must win a conference to play in the BCSNG because people won't give this stuff a rest.
By the way, all this talk about the "process" makes you sound like Saban
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:49 pm to lsusa
The emotional side of me wants a rematch if Bama can play there way into one. I would love nothing more then to beat Bama twice in one year with a team they think might be the best defensive unit Bama has ever had. But as I think about it more I don't like the idea because it robs another school of the chance to play us after Bama has already had there chance in their home stadium.
It would really suck for a one loss OU, OSU, Stanford or Oregon to get shafted by Bama. And I expect the out cry will be enormous from the other schools and the voters will not do it if it comes to all one loss schools. Just saying.
It would really suck for a one loss OU, OSU, Stanford or Oregon to get shafted by Bama. And I expect the out cry will be enormous from the other schools and the voters will not do it if it comes to all one loss schools. Just saying.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:50 pm to TenTex
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It would really suck for a one loss OU, OSU, Stanford or Oregon to get shafted by Bama. And I expect the out cry will be enormous from the other schools and the voters will not do it if it comes to all one loss schools. Just saying.
Won't happen. Alabamas computer score is about to tumble when Penn St/Auburn lose and they play Georgia Southern.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:51 pm to Slickback
quote:the precedent has been set- you have to win your conference barring last minute anarchy of 1 loss teams circa 2003.
The BCS is there for a reason. Team #1 and #2 will play at the end of the season for the national championship, be it Boise, Oregon, Alabama, or whoever. Simple as that.
in 07, the voters proved they will manipulate the top 2 spots to reward the 2 most deserving teams.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:54 pm to lsusa
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If a bloc of voters think Bama/Oregon is clearly the second best team, but vote them lower than they believe they are and another team higher, then then have corrupted the process...its them arbitrarily projecting their opinion about non-field issues.
Wrong.
That's PRECISELY their function. The polls are part of the BCS formula. They help determine what the #1 and #2 team are along with the computers, not look at what the computers decided then change it.
Remember that the polls are released BEFORE the BCS rankings are computed.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:54 pm to USMCTiger03
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Because it's subjective.
Exactly. Vote for who YOU BELIEVE is the #2 team.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:56 pm to RoscoTheTiger
quote:
Problem is BCS ranking is 2/3 human polls. And there is no guideline for the voters to determine who to vote as #2. So if a voter feels a previous loss to the #1 eliminates a team in their vote from contention to be in that spot, then so be it. Their line of thinking may be "hey we know these two teams didn't beat #1, so let's see if another team can."
I like that the human voters can manipulate it to what they think the best matchup is, but I also agree with the OP. The system is what it is. If you are a one loss (or more) team and you feel jilted, don't lose and you're much more likely to get your shot. If you're #1 and you already beat the team lined up at #2, you have to beat them again. If you're truly the best, you'll beat 'em again.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:58 pm to TriumphTiger
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If you're truly the best, you'll beat 'em again.
Why don't you ask Alabama fans or Maquis Maze about that line of logic.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:00 pm to therick711
Poor choice of words on my part to say "process".
I understand there is no specific guideline on how to rank teams....is it "who's playing the best now" or "who has accomplished the most", "who would win on a neutral field" etc....but I think there is an understanding that voters are supposed to rank teams based on who they think is best, second best, etc.
One big things that the polls suffer from is putting (and I may not word this the best) more emphasis on the Loss column than who you've beaten.
In 2007, I think LSU, Oklahoma and Georgia (in that order) were much more deserving than OSU based on the wins they had and sos, but the buckeyes got a free pass cause they only had one loss compared to two.
I understand there is no specific guideline on how to rank teams....is it "who's playing the best now" or "who has accomplished the most", "who would win on a neutral field" etc....but I think there is an understanding that voters are supposed to rank teams based on who they think is best, second best, etc.
One big things that the polls suffer from is putting (and I may not word this the best) more emphasis on the Loss column than who you've beaten.
In 2007, I think LSU, Oklahoma and Georgia (in that order) were much more deserving than OSU based on the wins they had and sos, but the buckeyes got a free pass cause they only had one loss compared to two.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:01 pm to Moustache
Talk of a split title is ridiculous. Even if there are 2-3 undefeated teams, the AP #1 and BCS #1 will be the same team. If Lsu wins out, which voters are going to take their votes from LSU and give them to some other team?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:02 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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the precedent has been set- you have to win your conference barring last minute anarchy of 1 loss teams circa 2003.
I agree that is the PREFERENCE. There is wiggle room and the taking heads have shown it over the last few weeks.
BTW, 2003 is a bad example because that was the last year of the old formula. OU was #3 in the human polls, but #1 in the BCS. They would not have played in the NCG under the post '03 rules.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:20 pm to TriumphTiger
I agree that LSU beating Arkansas, State Penn losing and Bama playing Ga Southern will all hurt the Gumps.
An Oklahoma win over a previously unbeaten OSU team will likely give them a bump in both the computers and with humans. There will also be a similar effect on the Oregon-Stanford winner.
I have the want to add this too - I f'in hate Bama! I hope they lose to MSU. I don't want to play them again and I honestly believe they have a better chance of beating us than any other team in the country.
But I'm not going to shape my beliefs on rules to benefit my team.
An Oklahoma win over a previously unbeaten OSU team will likely give them a bump in both the computers and with humans. There will also be a similar effect on the Oregon-Stanford winner.
I have the want to add this too - I f'in hate Bama! I hope they lose to MSU. I don't want to play them again and I honestly believe they have a better chance of beating us than any other team in the country.
But I'm not going to shape my beliefs on rules to benefit my team.
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