re: Reed would make a difference

“He was always going to be our best or second best player.”



WOW

Ben Simmons was also the #1 player in the country and look how that turned out............

Randy was a great player. I watched him against Port Barre and North Central when he was 100%.

He was great but he peaked early. He was as talented as a sophomore in high school as he was as a senior in high school.

Rasheed Wallace and Jerry would have eaten his breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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so you over valued his statistics and not what he did on the court because you are a casual and box score watcher. Got it.

You prolly thought Herb Jones sucked in college too huh kid.. He produced the same most games. He was never going to be our 25 point scorer. And if you thought that, then thats on you and low basketball IQ. He was always going to be our best or second best player. Doesn't mean he would score the most every or most nights. Again, you sound like a casual.

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Herb Jones was a Top 40 rated player in the country his senior year and Top 100 his junior year. He had a BPR of 5.42 as a senior and 4.76 as a junior. Jalen Reed had a BPR of 2.28 this year and a whopping -0.22 last year, good enough to be the 720th and 1971st rated player respectively. Its not just that his stats weren't world beaters, he objectively did not rate out as a great player, offensively or defensively. No one is saying that he isn't a good player, but he is not the player you all are trying to make him out to be. Comparing him to Herb Jones is comical.

Randy was unbelievable, he was averaging 10assist per game in college which is unheard of and had an 18 assist game earlier that year. People forget that the game he was injured vs Arky was for 1st place in the west. We were 4-2 up to that point with a win over #13 Florida and another vs a good Bama squad. That team was going to be in the dance.

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We all know what happened to Randy. Even with a healthy Randy that team had no other help other than Randy and Ronnie. Dale had been on the way down for years. Dude shite the bed with CJ and Shaq!

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Exactly, in 1980 Rudy Macklin - our best player - went down with an injury - out for the year. We still finish the season in the Top 5, win the only SEC Tourney Title in team history, and go to the Elite 8.

1981 - Our second best player Dwayne Scales unexpectedly decides to go pro, very rare back in those days - LSU still fields its best team ever and goes to the Final 4.

1986 we lose Nikita Wilson to academics for second half of the season, we still go to the Final 4.

I could do a few others but your point was that when Dale was at his best he had enough to overcome the loss of a player or two because the program overall was in great shape. When he lost Randy we spiraled downward quickly because the foundation was not nearly as good.

Ok

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In 1980 Rudy Macklin - our best player - went down with an injury - out for the year. We still finish the season in the Top 5, win the only SEC Tourney Title in team history, and go to the Elite 8.

1981 - Our second best player Dwayne Scales unexpectedly decides to go pro, very rare back in those days - LSU still fields its best team ever and goes to the Final 4.

1986 we lose Nikita Wilson to academics for second half of the season, we still go to the Final 4.

I could do a few others but the point is that when Dale was at his best he had enough to overcome the loss of a player or two because the program overall was in great shape. When he lost Randy we spiraled downward quickly because the foundation was absolutely horrible....but that doesn't fit your narrative here so please carry on about how..."we lost Randy".

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So one of your original contentions that Dale was a terrible coach and you referencing Bobby Knight quotes and “Dude shite the bed with CJ and Shaq!”, is now supported by you stating that Dale lost his best or second best player multiple times and proceeded to coach teams to the Elite Eight and Final Fours. Sounds like he wasn't as terrible of a coach as everyone exaggeratedly likes to claim, which, hmm, someone said earlier in the thread. Perhaps he was not great while also not terrible.

Then you continue to suggest LSU should have fired him when Shaq went pro, even though we went to the NCAAT the following year, and had massive talent coming in, because you knew the depth was lacking and even if we lost the #1 player in the nation - to an injury that didn't even happen yet - LSU MBB would begin to spiral and be left on probation because apparently you are the fricking next Nostradamus.

How you hold both of those thoughts simultaneously is mind bogging.

Did you pass grade school, Mr. Captain Nostradamus Hindsight? You certainly are using grade school level logic.

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You're correct, we do not know the exact reason he left the team. But this is now three players in three years we've had similar situations with. Juice Hill leaving the team in the middle of the season year 1, Cook last year, and Ward this year. At some point we have to question Mcmahon's ability to manage some of these players

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Or maybe he is trying to build a culture and is going to dismiss players who won't buy in. By the way how did they fare last season without Cook over the last month of the season? McMahon may be establishing discipline within the program but doesn't deem it necessary to broad cast it.

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PS it's mind boggling not mind bogging

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I'll make sure my spell check gets on that.