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Really excited about next year
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:48 am
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:48 am
I'm not writing off this season and spare the "next year U" crap. I am simply looking at what our obvious weaknesses this season are and how that translates into next season:
QB: Obviously Etling has shortcomings with consistency and arm strength. Brennan is a gunslinger. He just needs time to get comfortable with the jump to the college game. He'll get a lion's share of the reps along with Narcisse. Is suspect Canada will have packages for both.
WR: There was a lot of inconsistency this season, but it has improved. Losing Chark and Gage is big, but in steps Giles (Texas Tech's leading WR before the transfer) and Dee Anderson is emerging from the dog house. They join Davis, Dillon, Sullivan and likely one new stud recruit. I think Dee will shine next season.
OL: Grimes seems to have found a winning combo now with the youngsters and juniors. I find it unlikely we lose more than one junior if any. Weathersby has talked declaring, but he needs to realize his stock isn't very high and I would be surprised if Clapp doesn't decide to come back.
RB: This has been our strength and we will take a step back, but I think Canada is already preparing to move to a heavier pass emphasis. He has a history of evolving to team strengths and we will be a better passing team next year. This will help exploit the one Achilles heel of Bama.
Defensively the key losses will be Key, Tolliver and Jackson. In step Chaisson, Surtain (likely)and plenty of other DB talent.
Where we were weakest we will be significantly better. Lawrence and Alexander will be back and healthy and joined by Fehko and Shelvin. DL will be better than it's been in years and capable of matching physicality of any team in the nation.
ILB: White is back and between Phillips, Taylor and Queen we will be better due to experience.
Finish strong this season, finish strong recruiting and I think 2018 should be an exceptional year.
QB: Obviously Etling has shortcomings with consistency and arm strength. Brennan is a gunslinger. He just needs time to get comfortable with the jump to the college game. He'll get a lion's share of the reps along with Narcisse. Is suspect Canada will have packages for both.
WR: There was a lot of inconsistency this season, but it has improved. Losing Chark and Gage is big, but in steps Giles (Texas Tech's leading WR before the transfer) and Dee Anderson is emerging from the dog house. They join Davis, Dillon, Sullivan and likely one new stud recruit. I think Dee will shine next season.
OL: Grimes seems to have found a winning combo now with the youngsters and juniors. I find it unlikely we lose more than one junior if any. Weathersby has talked declaring, but he needs to realize his stock isn't very high and I would be surprised if Clapp doesn't decide to come back.
RB: This has been our strength and we will take a step back, but I think Canada is already preparing to move to a heavier pass emphasis. He has a history of evolving to team strengths and we will be a better passing team next year. This will help exploit the one Achilles heel of Bama.
Defensively the key losses will be Key, Tolliver and Jackson. In step Chaisson, Surtain (likely)and plenty of other DB talent.
Where we were weakest we will be significantly better. Lawrence and Alexander will be back and healthy and joined by Fehko and Shelvin. DL will be better than it's been in years and capable of matching physicality of any team in the nation.
ILB: White is back and between Phillips, Taylor and Queen we will be better due to experience.
Finish strong this season, finish strong recruiting and I think 2018 should be an exceptional year.
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Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:49 am to BayouCowboy
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spare the "next year U" crap
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I am simply looking at what our obvious weaknesses this season are and how that translates into next season:
QB: Obviously Etling has shortcomings with consistency and arm strength. Brennan is a gunslinger. He just needs time to get comfortable with the jump to the college game. He'll get a lion's share of the reps along with Narcisse. Is suspect Canada will have packages for both.
WR: There was a lot of inconsistency this season, but it has improved. Losing Chark and Gage is big, but in steps Giles (Texas Tech's leading WR before the transfer) and Dee Anderson is emerging from the dog house. They join Davis, Dillon, Sullivan and likely one new stud recruit. I think Dee will shine next season.
OL: Grimes seems to have found a winning combo now with the youngsters and juniors. I find it unlikely we lose more than one junior if any. Weathersby has talked declaring, but he needs to realize his stock isn't very high and I would be surprised if Clapp doesn't decide to come back.
RB: This has been our strength and we will take a step back, but I think Canada is already preparing to move to a heavier pass emphasis. He has a history of evolving to team strengths and we will be a better passing team next year. This will help exploit the one Achilles heel of Bama.
Defensively the key losses will be Key, Tolliver and Jackson. In step Chaisson, Surtain (likely)and plenty of other DB talent.
Where we were weakest we will be significantly better. Lawrence and Alexander will be back and healthy and joined by Fehko and Shelvin. DL will be better than it's been in years and capable of matching physicality of any team in the nation.
ILB: White is back and between Phillips, Taylor and Queen we will be better due to experience.
Finish strong this season, finish strong recruiting and I think 2018 should be an exceptional year.
What elsewould you call this wall of writing off the rest of this season?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:54 am to LNCHBOX
How about Randy Moss' son. The tight end transfer?
Anyone heard anything on him.
Anyone heard anything on him.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:56 am to BayouCowboy
I expect to have a couple of WRs transfer and I’m worried about the RB position.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:57 am to LNCHBOX
quote:doesn't take much brain power to discuss the future without hating the near term.
What elsewould you call this wall of writing off the rest of this season?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:58 am to BayouCowboy
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In step Chaisson, Surtain (likely)and plenty of other DB talent.
Chaisson has done nothing and you are assuming(?) we get Surtain....
#66 grade out very poorly Saturday. Pro?
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:58 am to LNCHBOX
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What elsewould you call this wall of writing off the rest of this season?
Well first, the fact that I broke my post into sections with only a few sentences each makes it a little easier for snarky simpletons to digest.
Second, I was hoping to avoid the typical smart arse responses anytime someone tries to take an analytical look at the state of the team. I know it was too much to ask.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:59 am to BayouCowboy
The key to Orgeron having any success is going to be staff continuity. If he can keep Aranda and Canada next season, we may be able to compete for the West depending on Brennan's development.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:05 am to Mobiletiger
OMG I FORGOT ABOUT RANDY MOSS SON OH YEAH WE LIT NEXT YEAR
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:07 am to BayouCowboy
I'm excited about the next few games.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:08 am to BayouCowboy
I think the worry at WR is less about who we are losing and more about how we get the bigger outside guys involved. Giles should fit in nicely and they’ll be able to find someone who can reproduce what Gage is doing in the sweep game, and maybe even find someone more dynamic. But to this point we really haven’t seen how a Sullivan, Davis, Anderson, or similar body type/skill set factors in as a consistent threat or producer in this offense.
It would be nice to get one of the corners back and at least one of Clapp/Weathersby.
It would be nice to get one of the corners back and at least one of Clapp/Weathersby.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:09 am to hg
Tyler Shelvin, Brandon Feihoko, and Jonathan Giles should have you guys pumped. Giles will be a beast in Canada's offense.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:10 am to doya2
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Chaisson has done nothing and you are assuming(?) we get Surtain....
Chaisson was considered one of our top recruits and gathered a lot of comparissons to Key. I don't expect him to have Key's impact right away, but the reports from spring were that he was as good as advertised. This season through 9 games Chaisson has 19 tackles, 3.5 TFL and 2.0 sacks. Key's freshman year he had 41 tackles, 6.5 TFL and 5.0 sacks. The difference is Key was not sitting behind someone of elite caliber like Chaisson is. With that considered Chaisson has actually done well.
As for Surtain, 18/20 CBs are to LSU and every CB since April so I would consider it a logical assumption.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:12 am to adamb2151
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The key to Orgeron having any success is going to be staff continuity. If he can keep Aranda and Canada next season, we may be able to compete for the West depending on Brennan's development.
This.
And even if we do...then what? this system we have is dependent entirely on new coordinators having to come in and install their system when we lose them.
And we will lose them. That's the nature of hiring the best coordinators, isn't it?
So unless Orgeron suddenly decides he's in charge in some meaningful way (being the most informed or influential guy on either side of the ball for instance) we're beholden to not just hiring guys that are the best at their jobs to come in and coordinate, but either retaining them beyond what could be expected or replacing them seamlessly.
and with that turnover comes the inevitable chorus of, "But it's a new offensive/defensive system. We can't expect to be great yet, Coach Smith has yet to get in his players and fully install the new system." Rinse, repeat...
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:23 am to GeauxTigerTM
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And even if we do...then what? this system we have is dependent entirely on new coordinators having to come in and install their system when we lose them. And we will lose them. That's the nature of hiring the best coordinators, isn't it?
I doubt Canada is going anywhere soon. He hasn't proven anything here yet. I also doubt he would leave for another OC gig because "why leave the SEC" and go to a lesser conference. Maybe a small school HC job opens but that would be the only option I would see.
Aranda will leave eventually, but he's got it pretty darn good here. Paid well. He doesn't have to recruit too hard because the program attracts elite talent and he's got good recruiters around him. He also has legend status treatment at LSU.
I agree though, coordinators leave, but if they leave because LSU is so good everyone wants them it won't be hard to attract more elite coordinators. We pay well, recruit well and play in the premier conference.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:03 am to BayouCowboy
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I doubt Canada is going anywhere soon.
That's not the point. The point is we are basing our entire program off of the ability to hire and retain/replace coordinators. This is Canada's resume:
1994-1996 Indiana (GA)
1997 Butler (OC/QB)
1998–2000 Northern Illinois (RB)
2001–2002 Northern Illinois (QB)
2003 Northern Illinois (OC/QB)
2004 Indiana (QB)
2005–2006 Indiana (QB/PGC)
2007–2010 Indiana (OC/QB)
2011 Northern Illinois (OC/QB)
2012 Wisconsin (OC/QB)
2013–2015 NC State (OC/QB)
2016 Pitt (OC/QB)
2017–present LSU (OC/QB)
Now...unless we're assuming he's going to do something different than he has at every other stop, next year looks to potentially be his last before his next big move. Again...the alternative would be that he hasn't done well enough to move on...is that what we're hoping for?
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Aranda will leave eventually, but he's got it pretty darn good here.
1995 Redlands (CA) HS (JV)
1996–1998 Cal Lutheran (GA)
1999–2001 Texas Tech (GA)
2002–2003 Houston (LB)
2005–2006 Cal Lutheran (DC/LB)
2007 Delta State (co-DC/LB)
2008 Southern Utah (DC)
2008–2009 Hawaii (DL)
2010–2011 Hawaii (DC)
2012 Utah State (DC)
2013–2015 Wisconsin (DC/ILB)
2016–present LSU (AHC/DC)
See above. These guys move on...it's what they do. So, unless we're assuming that LSU is simply such a great destination (not for HC's though...we were told that beyond the first two choices Orgeron was the only viable third option) then we must accept that much sooner than later both guys will be gone.
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I agree though, coordinators leave, but if they leave because LSU is so good everyone wants them it won't be hard to attract more elite coordinators.
Even elite hires sometimes don't work out. Having to DEPEND on them to because your head coach has no system of his own to rely on is scary as shite, and honest people ought to be able to acknowledge that.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:31 am to BayouCowboy
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Defensively the key losses will be Key, Tolliver and Jackson. In step Chaisson, Surtain (likely)and plenty of other DB talent.
We'll be replacing Key, Thompson, and Alexander. 3/4 of our LB. While I understand the talent behind them, it's still not an upgrade by any means.
Chaisson, Divinity, and Phillips/Taylor look nearly as good based on potential, but who knows.
The good news is that the DL should be improved/deeper with Shelvin and Feheko and only losing Lac and Herron.
DB is a tricky one. Obviously Greedy will be one of those lock down corners. Hopefully Surtain (will) and can step in to be the other. Vincent/Monroe/Stephens/Delpit should be able to fill that group out nicely.
I'm actually getting pretty excited about OL. Actually very glad that we had to throw some freshmen into the fire this year. They have surprised and will make an excellent core to build around next year.
WR Giles, Davis, Dillon, Dee, Sullivan, Marshall (hopefully). That's a damn good group with proven talent and experience.
The problem is QB and RB. We've never really been "bad" at both positions. And we may not be next year.
RB - like you said.. will most likely see a dip. Maybe Brossette can become serviceable. Maybe Canada can still use them to balance out the attack effectively. Maybe Joiner comes in and does very well.
Barring a minor miracle at RB it's extremely important that Brennan or Narcisse can be pretty good. If they can reach our expectations then fine. if not. It will be tough to move the ball regardless of how well we are stacked at all the other positions.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:38 am to GeauxTigerTM
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See above. These guys move on...it's what they do. So, unless we're assuming that LSU is simply such a great destination (not for HC's though...we were told that beyond the first two choices Orgeron was the only viable third option) then we must accept that much sooner than later both guys will be gone.
The only way they move on is if canada gets a head coaching job, Aranda gets a NFL DC job, or if they get fired.... there's roughly 2 millions reasons why either of them would want to stay.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:42 am to setinways12
9-3 at best. Losing two great RBs and a new starting QB. Could go 8-4.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:46 am to setinways12
I agree almost 100% with the original post. Thumbs up.
I also am looking forward to next season as well as finishing this season strong after LSU hangs 50 something on Arkansas.
The one thing I would add about next year is that we will not only have MB at QB but we will have two legit QB's. Don't sleep on LN!!! We are going to see both of them next season and who plays the most in a particular game could be determined by which team we are playing and which QB provides the best chance to destroy them.
I also am looking forward to next season as well as finishing this season strong after LSU hangs 50 something on Arkansas.
The one thing I would add about next year is that we will not only have MB at QB but we will have two legit QB's. Don't sleep on LN!!! We are going to see both of them next season and who plays the most in a particular game could be determined by which team we are playing and which QB provides the best chance to destroy them.
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