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re: Really confused about the "win floor"
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:30 am to AshLSU
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:30 am to AshLSU
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Not based on talent. Talent alone we should win 10 games. The link you gave is factor I g in the morning nevthing you Orgeron apologists don’t want to admit. That Orgeron sucks as a coach.
Says who? You? Based on what? Furthermore, when did I say a fricking thing about Orgeron? I didn’t. But I will now. I think he’s an awful head coach. Read this slowly. It’s possible to be realistic about lsu’s upcoming season without being an “Orgeron apologist.” Jesus some of you are too stupid to argue with.
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:36 am to LNCHBOX
No, it’s not, that’s what I’m trying to explain to you.
In order for LSU to win 4 or 5 games, there would need to be some sort of unforeseen catastrophe to occur, like if QBs tendons starting exploding like Spinal Tap drummers. That is a “worst case scenario”.
The “floor” is saying, as this roster on paper stands today, what is the minimum number of wins?
I’m not taking into account that LSU could be upset by another non P5 school again this year just because it’s unexpected.
By your definition “the floor is the minimum”, why wouldn’t the floor be “0” ?
In order for LSU to win 4 or 5 games, there would need to be some sort of unforeseen catastrophe to occur, like if QBs tendons starting exploding like Spinal Tap drummers. That is a “worst case scenario”.
The “floor” is saying, as this roster on paper stands today, what is the minimum number of wins?
I’m not taking into account that LSU could be upset by another non P5 school again this year just because it’s unexpected.
By your definition “the floor is the minimum”, why wouldn’t the floor be “0” ?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:38 am to Dave England
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That is a “worst case scenario”.
Also known as a minimum, also known as a floor. Jesus dude
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The “floor” is saying, as this roster on paper stands today, what is the minimum number of wins?
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I’m not taking into account that LSU could be upset by another non P5 school again this year just because it’s unexpected.
So you're not actually talking about the minimum or floor.
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By your definition “the floor is the minimum”, why wouldn’t the floor be “0” ?
Because we are too good to lose every game.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:42 am to the_watcher
My argument is based solely with those who said the loss to Mississippi State was warranted based on talent. That’s complete bullshite.
We are the 3rd most talented program in the SEC. that is a fact. Do I really think we only lose two games? No. But it’s not because the talent isn’t there. It’s because the coaching sucks.
Remember that statistically, the more talented team wins 95% of the time.
We are the 3rd most talented program in the SEC. that is a fact. Do I really think we only lose two games? No. But it’s not because the talent isn’t there. It’s because the coaching sucks.
Remember that statistically, the more talented team wins 95% of the time.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:45 am to LNCHBOX
“Because we are too good to lose every game.”
Why?
Because LSU is expected to beat rice and southeastern?
I thought you just got through telling me that I wasn’t actually talking about the minimum or the floor?
The minimum number of games you can win in a 12 game schedule is quite literally 0.
Why?
Because LSU is expected to beat rice and southeastern?
I thought you just got through telling me that I wasn’t actually talking about the minimum or the floor?
The minimum number of games you can win in a 12 game schedule is quite literally 0.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:48 am to Dave England
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Why?
Ok, if you're just going to play dumb, I'm begging to understand your posts.
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I thought you just got through telling me that I wasn’t actually talking about the minimum or the floor?
I did. I know you know the difference.
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The minimum number of games you can win in a 12 game schedule is quite literally 0.
Yea, you're just being dumb.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:50 am to the_watcher
Answer me this. If we are going to accept 7, 8, or 9 wins a season, why are we paying Les Miles and Orgeron for the same job?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:53 am to AshLSU
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Answer me this. If we are going to accept 7, 8, or 9 wins a season, why are we paying Les Miles and Orgeron for the same job?
Because the schedule is really hard
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:55 am to LNCHBOX
It’s the most difficult schedule any team of athletes ever assembled has ever had to face in recorded history.
If all the players can even survive this gauntlet, Ed O should have a statue built next to mike outside the stadium.
If all the players can even survive this gauntlet, Ed O should have a statue built next to mike outside the stadium.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 10:55 am
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:57 am to LNCHBOX
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Because the schedule is really hard
It’s hard every year. Last year was the easiest schedule in the last 20 years.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:59 am to AshLSU
You need to recalibrate your sarcasm meter.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:18 am to Dave England
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You need to recalibrate your sarcasm meter.
I realize he was being sarcastic.
Was mostly pointing out that last year was the easiest schedule we’ve had in over a decade.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:29 am to SammyTiger
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We lost 2 first round WR l, a first round RB and a #1 overall QB in 2006 and we were better in 07.
I'm not gonna argue the end result because one team won a national championship and the other didn't, but I have hard time believing the 2007 team was better than the 2006 team. Worse losses in 07 and 06 is statistically better in nearly every category. 07 just lost at the right time and the roulette wheel hit exactly where we needed it to. 06 was a much better team overall than 07.
It is possible, but statistics show teams who lose as many starters as we did and have a fist year QB tend to have a hard time performing better the following year.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:30 am to LNCHBOX
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Last season was an epic failure
People misuse the word epic a lot. It's kind of like use of the word literally.
Last season can be considered a failure it you choose to see it that way, but under no circumstances was it an "epic" failure.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:56 am to the_watcher
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But goals and realistic expectations (win ceiling/floor) are 2 entirely different things.
Well if the realistic expectations should be 7-8 wins, the why did LSU fire Miles? It seems they could have saved a hell of a lot of money, time and effort by just keeping him since he always won at least 8 games...or what apparently are the current expectations under the new HC.
I guess it says something about LSU's current HC and the state of the athletic department if you can a guy for not winning enough only to now expect LESS from his replacement.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:14 pm to wrongRob
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A lot of fans saying 10 wins is the floor
LMAO at anyone who thinks 10 wins is the floor. Hell, I'd be ecstatic with 10 wins this year.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:33 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:the team did underachieve and that schedule wasn’t reflective of the SEC schedules for the last 15 years.
Even if you think the team underachieved last year, the man still won 9 games against an SEC schedule.
That’s the concern.
What they are saying is “if we fired the all time winningest coachnin the history of the program and made a bad hire, then we need to rectify is now instead of letting the program slip further behind or in other wards put up or shut up”.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:42 pm to Tiger1988
I agree with all of that and have said the same thing on multiple occasions. I was only pointing out that I don't believe that last year was an "epic failure".
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:08 pm to TDcline
6 pages and nothing to actually explain why the team is going to win 10 games.
I don't hate the coach or any coach. They have accomplished more than I ever will when it comes to Football. I loved Les Miles & I'm liking what CEO is doing attempting to meet the needs of the team. I'm all in & hope the Shrimper can get it done. I'm not above sporting white boots and cut off overalls;) but I won't call you paaadnaa
The team is unproven plain & simple. LSU has so many new pieces on offense that 10 wins just doesn't seem like a "guarantee" to me.
I believe LSU can be successful and possibly make a push to win the SEC. I just don't think going into the season as fans we should expect 10 wins as a "lock."
I'll put three-fiddy on it;)
I don't hate the coach or any coach. They have accomplished more than I ever will when it comes to Football. I loved Les Miles & I'm liking what CEO is doing attempting to meet the needs of the team. I'm all in & hope the Shrimper can get it done. I'm not above sporting white boots and cut off overalls;) but I won't call you paaadnaa
The team is unproven plain & simple. LSU has so many new pieces on offense that 10 wins just doesn't seem like a "guarantee" to me.
I believe LSU can be successful and possibly make a push to win the SEC. I just don't think going into the season as fans we should expect 10 wins as a "lock."
quote:You're cra cra if you come at me like that BAW. Pick a charity it will be fun
If someone says cra-cra to me in real life, there’s a solid chance of them getting punched in the face
I'll put three-fiddy on it;)
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:17 pm to terriblegreen
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Last season can be considered a failure it you choose to see it that way, but under no circumstances was it an "epic" failure.
Historic losses to Troy and State in a 3 week span, something that has never happened in the history of this program, quite literally make last season an epic failure. You choosing to downplay it is fine for you.
ETA: That's a fast downvote for an anchored thread. Cheeri0s doing work.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 1:20 pm
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