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re: Ranters Want a Redemption Story: You Just Might Get It
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:38 am to just me
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:38 am to just me
What u are stating in the op would be true if the case was a simple battery case. In this case u are dead wrong! Once the guy hit the ground the players should have stopped fighting. If someone is on the ground, they are deemed defenseless, once the players began kicking him and causing damage it becomes second degree battery! It does not matter who started the fight. 
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:39 am to HeadBusta4LSU
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JJ is the fat kid in this example
I've heard Sam Montgomery played the fat kid in the incident back in June. /hijack
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:40 am to CptBengal
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link to me one time claiming JJ did it.
I always claim that IF he did, he should be punished. I have attributed guilt to NOBODY.
bullshite, you've been trying to hang the kid since day one.
And a BIASED 3rd party is the one who reported the kick.. color me unimpressed.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:41 am to jrodLSUke
quote:Brilliant!!quote:Germans
Schönen Dank
Bitteschön
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:41 am to GeauxTigerTM
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GeauxTigerTM
damn fine post, sir. damn fine.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:41 am to josh336
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Logic would tell both were mutual aggressors in the fight. Both are probably guilty of being involved in the fight. If the players weren't, they wouldn't have fled. Thats logic
Dude. If I was at a bar and I saw the cops coming, I would get the eff out of there to even if I didnt do a thing against the law. I would bet the majority of the board would to.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 8:43 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:42 am to josh336
quote:Mutual aggressors. Interesting. So both or neiter would be justified in using in self-defense?
Logic would tell both were mutual aggressors in the fight. Both are probably guilty of being involved in the fight. If the players weren't, they wouldn't have fled. Thats logic
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:43 am to infantry1026
quote:Link?
If someone is on the ground, they are deemed defenseless,
quote:Self-defense is justified even in the case where serious injuries (second-degree battery) occur.
once the players began kicking him and causing damage it becomes second degree battery
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:44 am to Festus
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So what's your unbiased take on the Shady's employees that implicate the "victim" as the instigator and throwing the first punch?
He appears to have started a fight with someone. They did not say he hit an LSU player, did they?
As such, if he did hit an LSU player they have the right to whip his arse senseless. And he should be charged accordingly for his actions.
That does NOT give them the right to kick him in the head while lying on the ground in the fetal position.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:44 am to josh336
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Logic would tell both were mutual aggressors in the fight.
Logic would suggest that once the fight started they were mutually aggressive.
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Both are probably guilty of being involved in the fight.
No doubt, and I don't think anyone other than those folks who were ready to swallow the first set of rumors that came out about how these mean old LSU football players savagely dragged an innocent out of his truck and went Rodney King riot on his arse think otherwise.
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If the players weren't, they wouldn't have fled.
Eh...again. Even if NONE of the football players were involved in the fight (and I'm NOT suggesting that) I have a feeling they would likely have hit the bricks to avoid being punished for flagrantly breaking curfew. And at the same time, as your post indicates, people who feel they were part of the fight rather than victims or bystanders would be likely to flee. Turns out, everyone involved fled...
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:45 am to guttata
quote:drunk
I'm sure the punk jumped out of his truck and started beating up on guys twice his size. Seems reasonable to me.
ex-marine
testosterone filled
young and stupid
a woman was involved
I'd say it's very possible he did something dumb
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:45 am to just me
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One of the first rules of being a DA is that if you don't think you can get a conviction, you don't file charges.
Unless you can get a book deal
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:46 am to just me
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Self-defense is justified even in the case where serious injuries (second-degree battery) occur.
however it is not justified when the individual who originally posed the threat is no longer a threat. Like lying on the ground in the fetal position after being beat by several people.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:46 am to just me
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Self-defense is justified even in the case where serious injuries (second-degree battery) occur.
Breaking someone's jaw in self defense is one thing. Kicking someone when they are down is another; HOWEVER, I do believe emotion probably played a part if someone did get kicked.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:46 am to CptBengal
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does it allow them to kick defenseless people on the ground in the head?
He shouldn't have let himself get into a defenseless position if he was gonna start some shite
He shoulda armed himself
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 8:48 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:47 am to just me
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Redemption for Jordan Jefferson. Of course, haters gonna hate.
Our idiotic fans who have jumped to their conclusions based on what they WANT to believe will always be anti JJ. It is truly pathetic that a group of fans can be so against one player in hopes that JL gets to play.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:48 am to LSU82BILL
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He shouldn't have let himself get into a defenseless position if he was gonna start some shite
the law doesn't care.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:48 am to CptBengal
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That does NOT give them the right to kick him in the head while lying on the ground in the fetal position.
Who is "him"?
Once again you accuse JJ of something that isn't proven yet. You have no fricking evidence to say he kicked that guy in the head.
You seriously need to STFU and go be a pussy somewhere else. And that bitch was no in the fetal position. fricking unbelievable how pussy some of you are.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 8:50 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:49 am to CptBengal
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He appears to have started a fight with someone. They did not say he hit an LSU player, did they? As such, if he did hit an LSU player they have the right to whip his arse senseless. And he should be charged accordingly for his actions. That does NOT give them the right to kick him in the head while lying on the ground in the fetal position.
How do you feel, though, that it affects the initial story told by the victims? According to them, they simply blew their horn and were attacked by a gang of 15-20 football players.
Do you believe, now, that was a false statement given? If so, which parts of their versions in the police report, and witnesses tied to them, were true and which were embellished?
And for the record, I agree that the person kicking another in the head while lying in a fetal position is not justified. I just don't know who that person is.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:49 am to CptBengal
double post
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 8:51 am
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