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re: Rank the Current SEC Head Baseball Coaches (1-14)
Posted on 4/27/14 at 5:45 pm to tadelatt
Posted on 4/27/14 at 5:45 pm to tadelatt
I wouldn't put Mainieri at the top. I can't argue that his teams win, but there is either no coaching or poor coaching going on out there in so many areas. Yet more times then not the team can overcome some of the bone headed things they do, or don't do.
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Posted on 4/27/14 at 5:49 pm to vjp819
He must be recruiting some great players to overcome his poor coaching skills.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:27 pm to vjp819
So where would you put him? Who would you rank ahead of him and why?
Posted on 4/27/14 at 7:16 pm to TigerCub
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So where would you put him? Who would you rank ahead of him and why?
I'd put him 5th on that list behind the ones listed behind him, and possibly put Dave Serrano ahead of him, which would bump him to 6th.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 7:18 pm to vjp819
Are you familiar with the decision-making and coaching of the coaches you are putting ahead of him?
Posted on 4/27/14 at 7:35 pm to vjp819
And you're reasoning for that?
Posted on 4/27/14 at 8:28 pm to TigerCub
do you guys watch the same team that I do? you don't ever just shake your head at some of the boneheaded things our players do routinely? I don't have a problem with CPM's gameday decisions as such, I have a problem with how our players are prepared to handle situations during games, and don't get me started on baserunning. My ranking of has more to do with the assistants CPM surrounds himself with, rather then him. That's his responsibility, and thus the 5th-6th ranking.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 8:35 pm to vjp819
Fair enough. I disagree with you but at least have a reason for your answer. You didn't just say I don't know who is the best but our guy isn't.
And yes we do some silly things at times. But I see that from a lot of teams. I saw Tennessee run into a couple of outs this weekend.
And yes we do some silly things at times. But I see that from a lot of teams. I saw Tennessee run into a couple of outs this weekend.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 9:00 pm to TigerCub
Every single team makes mistakes and every coach does too. Mainieri obviously does more right than wrong to have as much success as he's had over his career.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 9:26 pm to Mickey Goldmill
He recruits well. I have no argument with the kids he signs to play here.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 9:31 pm to vjp819
How do you explain his 9 conference tournament titles? That can't just be a fluke. The man must know how to press the right buttons at least a decent amount of times. In fact I remember one of the SEC Tournaments a few years back, may have been the first one he won here, where we lost the first game and nobody gave us a chance because our pitching depth sucked. Well CPM made some great decisions that tournament and we came back to win it.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 9:54 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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How do you explain his 9 conference tournament titles?
We've won 4 SECT titles since CPM has been here. Hell we've only won 10 since 1977. So where you get 9 from the hell if i know.
and if you bothered to read my previous post I explained that I have no problem with his gameday coaching.
And yes all teams make stupid mistakes, but they make about 1/3 as many as we do. maybe less. his asst. coaches suck, and that's his responsibility. that's why i rank him 5th or 6th. I didn't say he was 14th geeez man lighten up.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 10:02 pm to vjp819
He won 5 at Notre Dame. And Alan Dunn in a top 5 pitching coach in the country.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 10:05 pm to tadelatt
I'd move Serrano, Galloway, and Cohen up a little on that list. All 3 of those guys have CWS appearances.
Can't argue with 1-4 to me. O'Sullivan not getting a National Championship the past couple years was amazing.
Granted, if Ray Tanner still Coached it would be:
1. Ray Tanner
2. PM
3.... etc...
Can't argue with 1-4 to me. O'Sullivan not getting a National Championship the past couple years was amazing.
Granted, if Ray Tanner still Coached it would be:
1. Ray Tanner
2. PM
3.... etc...
Posted on 4/27/14 at 10:11 pm to Tigercoop40
I don't think you can argue that if Tanner was still coaching he wouldn't be #1. Surprisingly though, in his 16 years at South Carolina, he only won 3 SEC Championships and 1 Tournament. Not to belittle him at all, he was insanely successful there. Just kinda surprising.
This post was edited on 4/27/14 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 4/27/14 at 10:16 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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And Alan Dunn in a top 5 pitching coach in the country.
Alan Dunn is excluded. I hope we can hold on to him.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 10:17 pm to vjp819
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Alan Dunn is excluded. I hope we can hold on to him.
You can't exclude the good ones and include the bad ones when grading Mainieri on his assistant coaching hires. Posted on 4/27/14 at 10:18 pm to vjp819
I agree that the team can be frustrating at times, but CPM did get Dunn who was a massive addition to his coaching staff. I feel Mainieri makes the right moves to help his team win games very frequently. There have been dozens of times where he called a hit and run that worked perfectly, or put in a pitcher or pinch hitter who I had little faith in who seemed to be much more ready for the pressure of the situation then I perceived. To me, those situations help prove that he has his finger on the pulse of his team.
He has had times where the same calls didn't work, and he has also had many instances where I thought the base running, or the patience at the plate was severely lacking. I still believe that his ability to make the right call at the right time as well as his recruiting make him the best coach in the SEC.
Like others I considered Corbin for #1 and Mainieri for #2, but after the way Vandy flopped last year in the post season I couldn't do it. If Tanner were still around he would be the clear #1. If MSU had won the world series last year Cohen would probably be my #1 or #2. There are many factors that go into these hypothetical rankings.
To other poster's points (troll or otherwise), none of us know all 14 coaches well enough to rank them 1 to 14 and be confident we are absolutely correct, but we all have a great idea of the top 5 or 6 guys and can easily base those judgements off of their post season success or lack of appearances. No coach deserves to be in the top 5 if they have never even been in a super regional, or to Omaha. Clearly these rankings are opinion and as such are fallible, but to say that CPM is definitely not #1 and then not offer any rhyme or reason is absolutely absurd.
Edit: Post season isn't the only criteria if you rank from 1 to 14, but to do a top 5 with the coaches available I feel it is the primary measuring stick. All of the top 5 that I listed have won the SEC and the SEC tournament, and they have all had success recruiting as well as in regional play. The comment about ranking based on post season pertains to the 5 or 6 coaches in the league who have only been around for 1 to 3 years. I feel it is safe to keep them out of the top 5 until they have proven themselves.
He has had times where the same calls didn't work, and he has also had many instances where I thought the base running, or the patience at the plate was severely lacking. I still believe that his ability to make the right call at the right time as well as his recruiting make him the best coach in the SEC.
Like others I considered Corbin for #1 and Mainieri for #2, but after the way Vandy flopped last year in the post season I couldn't do it. If Tanner were still around he would be the clear #1. If MSU had won the world series last year Cohen would probably be my #1 or #2. There are many factors that go into these hypothetical rankings.
To other poster's points (troll or otherwise), none of us know all 14 coaches well enough to rank them 1 to 14 and be confident we are absolutely correct, but we all have a great idea of the top 5 or 6 guys and can easily base those judgements off of their post season success or lack of appearances. No coach deserves to be in the top 5 if they have never even been in a super regional, or to Omaha. Clearly these rankings are opinion and as such are fallible, but to say that CPM is definitely not #1 and then not offer any rhyme or reason is absolutely absurd.
Edit: Post season isn't the only criteria if you rank from 1 to 14, but to do a top 5 with the coaches available I feel it is the primary measuring stick. All of the top 5 that I listed have won the SEC and the SEC tournament, and they have all had success recruiting as well as in regional play. The comment about ranking based on post season pertains to the 5 or 6 coaches in the league who have only been around for 1 to 3 years. I feel it is safe to keep them out of the top 5 until they have proven themselves.
This post was edited on 4/27/14 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 4/27/14 at 10:21 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Surprisingly though, in his 16 years at South Carolina, he only won 3 SEC Championships and 1 Tournament.
I think we all agree that Tanner would be the Clear #1 if he were still coaching. The fact that you stated goes to show just how good of a coach Mainieri really is. A consensus #1 coach who is clearly better than Mainieri has had very similar success in the SEC and the SEC tournament.
Also of note, and previously mentioned by others, Mainieri coached two of the best teams in LSU history. The 2009 team was in my opinion one of the top 5 teams the school has ever fielded, and the 2013 team holds the wins record.
This post was edited on 4/27/14 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 4/27/14 at 10:25 pm to vjp819
quote:Why?
Alan Dunn is excluded.
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