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Posted on 4/7/09 at 2:52 pm to TexasTigah
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You have to agree that our QB play last year didnt exactly put our WR's in a position to even be on that list.
No doubt about it. The crux of my question is whether our expectations of a high ranking recruit change depending on who they sign with between LSU and a rival school.
A lot of the LSU fanbase has confidence in the program that is a mile wide but an inch deep. What I mean by this is exactly what is playing out in this thread. We have such "depth" therefore a player is not expected to be an immediate impact. Toliver is the perfect example. When he was signed, many, if not most, thought he would make an instant impact similar to Julio or Green, so we scale back expectations of our own when it doesn't work out. We are still expecting Toliver to break out (obviously with all of the first round talk) but even our own coaches seem nothing more than cautiously optimistic on him. However, the LSU fans expected Julio to be a beast and he was. People on this site expected RR to be a beast at Bama, but think he will only blend in at LSU. Problem is, if you are a beast, you are a beast, period.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 2:54 pm to DeltaDoc
Wait, are you saying LSU doesn't develop it's talent?
Posted on 4/7/09 at 2:55 pm to Maximus
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you are a douche and you are borderline retarded
commit suicide
Posted on 4/7/09 at 2:58 pm to DeltaDoc
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(4)Lafell is a lock for the first round despite leading the SEC in drops
Lafell is a lock for the first round because he is the best returning draft-eligible WR in the SEC. The fact that he is also a phenomenal talent seems to be lost on you.
quote:So what do you base your idea that Randle should be on the field? His huge amounts of playing time at LSU last year? His time at WR in HS last year?
Toliver, despite the fact that he has played only sparingly, is also a future first round lock not because of what he has done on the field but because of his "potential".
quote:Upperclassmen? Sure.
(1)Lafell and Toliver are the best two WRs in the conference.
quote:Nobody was worried about this next year, sure. He would have been a true frosh on a team with a QB that has pretty much zero starting experience. ScaaaAAAAAaaaaary. . .
Nobody on this board was worried about the play of RR against us if he went to Bama, only that it would have hurt us from a recruiting standpoint.
It would have definitely hurt is with recruiting, though.
quote:Look at all your snide remarks that you are trying to disguise as talking points.
(5) That every responder has completely avoided the context of the original question and chosen instead to throw meaningless internet insults from the safety of their cubicle.
Pot, meet kettle.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 2:58 pm to DeltaDoc
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the LSU fans expected Julio to be a beast and he was. People on this site expected RR to be a beast at Bama, but think he will only blend in at LSU. Problem is, if you are a beast, you are a beast, period.
Toliver is a beast (6'4", 220 lbs. and fast). Before this year we just never have had to have him be one. If we get good quarterback play out of Jefferson, you may gain respect for Terrance.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:02 pm to chinese58
TT has the potential to be as good, albeit a different type, of WR as RR will be. . .
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:09 pm to Roaad
at the traffic light, u think about the girl u almost married ...
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:18 pm to DeltaDoc
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Toliver is the perfect example. When he was signed, many, if not most, thought he would make an instant impact similar to Julio or Green, so we scale back expectations of our own when it doesn't work out.
I just knew we signed what was supposed to be the top receiver availible. I did not expect him to be the best receiver on the team his first year on the team. My expectations for him may have fallen a little after last year but I really don't know how much of his lack of production was caused by our quarterback play.
Julio and Green are good receivers and they did well their freshman years but not every recruit does as well as we expect them to. Some guys take longer. I am very glad my team has enough depth that true freshmen don't have to be the best player on the team their first year.
I don't expect Randle to have to be the first or second option from the first day he steps on campus. I hope you will not think the rest of the SEC receivers are better than him if he doesn't get a whole lot of opportunities his freshman year.
Football is a team game
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:20 pm to zeebo
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Roaad
I think that about covers it.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:23 pm to DeltaDoc
Dude, your question has been answered several times over but you fail to accept the correct answer...depth at WR. As an argument against this, you compare LaFell and TT to AJ Green and Julio. Since when does a team's #1 at a position constitute depth? The thing you should compare is TT, the Mitchells, Tim Molton, Jhyryn Taylor, Trindon, Chris Tolliver, RJ Jackson, John Williams, and anyone else I forgot to the depth (or lack thereof) at Bama. Will RR be our #2? Maybe, but he has a shite ton of competition. We don't even know if TT or RR will be the #2, since Tim Molton is having a great Spring. Fortunately, we play enough 3 and 4 WR sets to get all of those guys on the field.
In contrast, would RR be the #2 at Bama? There is little doubt that he would walk onto campus as the #2. Would TT be the #2 at Bama? Again, there is little doubt. In fact, we have a handfull of WRs that would likely be Bama's #2. In fact, Bell will get a realistic shot at being Bama's #2. If he had come to LSU, he likely redshirts.
In contrast, would RR be the #2 at Bama? There is little doubt that he would walk onto campus as the #2. Would TT be the #2 at Bama? Again, there is little doubt. In fact, we have a handfull of WRs that would likely be Bama's #2. In fact, Bell will get a realistic shot at being Bama's #2. If he had come to LSU, he likely redshirts.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:24 pm to chinese58
The ranter hackery of this place is sad and hilarious at the same time.
First of all, I think Lafell and Toliver are great receivers that will make much money playing this game. Second, RR, Julio and AJ are also great.
If you take the purple and gold glasses off for a second and look at things objectively, you will admit that Julio is better than any of our receivers and if you watched AJ green, you will probably see he is certainly better at this point than Toliver and at least equal with Lafell.
With all of that being said, the origin of the topic is whether or not we have different expectations for athletes, or more particulary prize recruits like RR if they don't sign with LSU.
I can accept WR depth as an excuse. However, I and most of the rest of America, think that AJ and JJ are better than Lafell and Toliver and would start over them. To me, that throws the depth thing out the window.
First of all, I think Lafell and Toliver are great receivers that will make much money playing this game. Second, RR, Julio and AJ are also great.
If you take the purple and gold glasses off for a second and look at things objectively, you will admit that Julio is better than any of our receivers and if you watched AJ green, you will probably see he is certainly better at this point than Toliver and at least equal with Lafell.
With all of that being said, the origin of the topic is whether or not we have different expectations for athletes, or more particulary prize recruits like RR if they don't sign with LSU.
I can accept WR depth as an excuse. However, I and most of the rest of America, think that AJ and JJ are better than Lafell and Toliver and would start over them. To me, that throws the depth thing out the window.
This post was edited on 4/7/09 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:27 pm to DeltaDoc
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ranter hackery
All I see is a minor difference of opinion.
Really, that only being that I think if Tolliver played for Georgia last year he may have looked better.
This post was edited on 4/7/09 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:32 pm to DeltaDoc
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the LSU fans expected Julio to be a beast and he was.
you are the master of the assumption.
I never expect any recruit to come in and make a big impact on an already good football team. There are 11 players on the field for each team every play. I never expect one player, fresh out of high school, to make that much of a difference especially if he is on a team that has been winning 9 or 10 games a year.
Any recruit can be a bust and guys we never heard of can be greats. They are 17 and 18 year old kids when they get here. I'll give them some time to grow up. Please don't beleive every recruits hype just because a couple have had great freshman years.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:34 pm to DeltaDoc
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However, I and most of the rest of America, think that AJ and JJ are better than Lafell and Toliver and would start over them. To me, that throws the depth thing out the window.
Which team has both AJ and JJ? If you show me a team with 2 or more receivers like this, I will agree they have better depth than LSU. Unfortunately, the fact that Bama and UGA have 1 of those guys kills your theory that their existence somehow disproves LSU's depth. Again, 1 person does not constitute depth.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:38 pm to BhamTigah
By the way, I think your original theory that when a player signs with LSU our expextations go down is ridiculous. Most rantards always expect the new freshman to come in and save the world, forgetting about the 4 and 5 star guys who were recruited in the two years before them who have been learning the system and waiting for their opportunity.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:42 pm to DeltaDoc
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If you take the purple and gold glasses off for a second and look at things objectively
This has nothing to do with which team I root for or which team I think has better receivers, I just don't think anyone should expect freshmen to have to be stars on any good SEC football team.
Never confuse argruments you may have seen on the recruiting board with those on these other boards. I may say something on the recruiting board about a guy getting playing time early but IRL I don't expect it.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:48 pm to chinese58
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Never confuse argruments you may have seen on the recruiting board with those on these other boards. I may say something on the recruiting board about a guy getting playing time early but IRL I don't expect it.
Thanks for your honesty
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:50 pm to Maximus
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Lafell is a 5th year senior who will be a first round pick.
I can buy this.
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Toliver is a junior who will be a first round pick.
How the frick can you even say this?
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:56 pm to DeltaDoc
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Thanks for your honesty
I think most rational fans of all of these teams feel this way. They hope the recruits will be great one day but also hope they don't have to be immediately.
It is really rare for players to come in and have great years as freshmen. Just like going from college to the pros. Running backs do better at it than most other offensive positions. Receivers doing what Julio and Green did is really rare because of the amount of info they have to learn and be able to do, litterally on the run. They and their respective coaches should be comended.
I hope freshmen either redshirt or they are playing well by the end of their freshman year.
This post was edited on 4/7/09 at 4:00 pm
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