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re: Question to the Fans Who Complained About JD Coming Back Resulting in Howard Transferring:
Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:57 pm to mpwilging
Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:57 pm to mpwilging
In hindsight I shouldn’t bash the kid, my gripe is more with people trying to compare him to Burrow and Skenes.
Hope Howard figures it out but I don’t think we as tiger fans should be worried about losing him.
People were legit mad JD came back cuz they thought that’s why we lost Howard but Howard was never going to amount to anything here and JD already has. Glad we have JD.
Hope Howard figures it out but I don’t think we as tiger fans should be worried about losing him.
People were legit mad JD came back cuz they thought that’s why we lost Howard but Howard was never going to amount to anything here and JD already has. Glad we have JD.
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Posted on 7/28/23 at 10:19 pm to ifyoubuildit
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JD has clear flaws. They surfaced again late in season against Arkansas. His backup performed better than him in SEC championship game
Do you even realize how dumb this statement not only makes you sound retarded. It shows EVERYONE you’re not a true fan.
JD had just beat Bama and was playing with the flu in 19 degree weather. Let down game sick and cold. Yeah show me a qb that would have thrived.
SEC ship game he had a severely bum ankle so he tried to play couldn’t get it done and tweaked it and the coaches sat him.
Look he’s not perfect but some of the shite you people come up with is extremely laughable.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:02 am to Tigersonfire
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JD had just beat Bama and was playing with the flu in 19 degree weather. Let down game sick and cold. Yeah show me a qb that would have thrived. SEC ship game he had a severely bum ankle so he tried to play couldn’t get it done and tweaked it and the coaches sat him.
He does have clear flaws and it has nothing to do with the flu. He hasn’t shown the ability in his career to throw the ball downfield consistently and if you hold him in the pocket, your odds greatly improve in making LSU look like shite on offense. Now I realize the Oline and RBs have to do their part to take pressure off of him and make the play action pass happen.
It’ll be bull shite short passes to RBs, TEs and slants all season unless he actually learns to throw receivers open or challenge DBs with deep passes.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:54 am to mdomingue
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While I agree that it is good that Daniels returned it is a bit premature to start crowing about this just yet.
Agreed, but no more premature than really knowing what we lost in Howard. Time will tell.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:11 am to Tiger1988
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He does have clear flaws and it has nothing to do with the flu. He hasn’t shown the ability in his career to throw the ball downfield consistently and if you hold him in the pocket, your odds greatly improve in making LSU look like shite on offense. Now I realize the Oline and RBs have to do their part to take pressure off of him and make the play action pass happen. It’ll be bull shite short passes to RBs, TEs and slants all season unless he actually learns to throw receivers open or challenge DBs with deep passes.
LSU had one of the 10 most efficient offenses in the country last year, including the worst performances. Of course, Daniels isn’t perfect but no college QB short of Burrow is. You may not like the way Daniels directed that efficiency, but it doesn’t constitute a “flaw”, at least not the way you are meaning it. There’s room for improvement and he showed glimpses of that before illness and injuries slowed him. Fully healthy, he was deadly in the bowl (granted against a hobbled opponent).
Posted on 7/29/23 at 12:20 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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LSU had one of the 10 most efficient offenses in the country last year, including the worst performances
To be eliete this means absolutely nothing when it is between the 20’s.
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You may not like the way Daniels directed that efficiency, but it doesn’t constitute a “flaw”, at least not the way you are meaning it.
He was held in the pocket and did absolutely nothing. He snuck up on some people and let’s call it like we know - Bama defense was just bad all year.
He didn’t play well defenses when they held him in the pocket. This was Johnny Manziel.
It isn’t anything against him. Not at all. This is about beating every team and not just a bunch that can’t contain a mobile QB.
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and injuries slowed him.
That is my point. They took away his ability to run and he couldn’t beat them with his arm. Good QBs can beat you both ways. He is 1 dimensional. How many completions did he have over 20 yds for the entire season that were IN THE AIR? Not short passes. The stat people need to pay attention to is YPA. Anything less than 9 is not good.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:37 pm to Tiger1988
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To be eliete this means absolutely nothing when it is between the 20’s.
LSU was 14th in the country in red zone TD % (10th in Power 5).
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That is my point. They took away his ability to run and he couldn’t beat them with his arm
He passed for 200 yards in the first half against Georgia.
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The stat people need to pay attention to is YPA. Anything less than 9 is not good.
That’s only one piece of the puzzle. Yes, all else being equal, that stat is typically a strong indicator of efficiency. In this case, Daniels’ rushing efficiency and his ability to protect the football made passing YPA less critical to the efficiency of the offense. LSU was one of the top teams in 1st down % and TDs per possession. Those are better indicators of Daniels’ overall contribution to offensive efficiency.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/29/23 at 2:27 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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He passed for 200 yards in the first half against Georgia.
What was that score?
WHAT WAS HIS YPA? PAY ATTENTION.
Look at the YPA. All were close games / losses except MSU.
5.7
5.7
5.7
5.4
4.0
6.1
6.7
Posted on 7/29/23 at 2:47 pm to Tiger1988
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What was that score? WHAT WAS HIS YPA? PAY ATTENTION.
Do you remember what actually transpired in the first quarter? We moved the ball up and down the field even though the QB had one ankle:
UGA returned the FG attempt. We come back for a score on a third consecutive solid drive. They come back score. Then a ball bounces off of Bech’s fricking head for an INT. UGA scores to make it 21-7 when it easily could have and should have been AT WORST 10-7 LSU.
JD played very well given the opponent and the injured ankle that he battled through. He threw some fricking dimes. I would implore you to go back and watch the LSU offense in the first half with an open mind.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:13 pm to Tarpon08
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JD played very well given the opponent and the injured ankle that he battled through. He threw some fricking dimes. I would implore you to go back and watch the LSU offense in the first half with an open mind.
Agreed. And he was hurt.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:17 pm to Tiger1988
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What was that score? WHAT WAS HIS YPA? PAY ATTENTION. Look at the YPA. All were close games / losses except MSU. 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.4 4.0 6.1 6.7
His YPA against Georgia was 8.7. It was 8.2 in the bowl. Excluding the Arkansas game when he was ill, he was above 8.2 in 5 of the last 7 games. One of the 2 that was lower was the Alabama game. You will be hard pressed to find many people who would agree with you that Daniels was a liability in that game.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:37 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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Excluding the Arkansas game when he was ill, he was above 8.2 in 5 of the last 7 games.
Ummm
No it was not. Where the hell are you getting that weed?
5.4 TAMU
5.7 Bama
5.7 Arky
Purdue was like LSU the season before versus KSt so I’m not even looking at that game.
His season average was 7.5. He actually has gotten worse every season if his career.
LSU as a team was 45th in the country at 7.7. 53 would have been if it was just Daniels.
UaB, UF and NMst were the ONLY game above 9 the entire season.
A GOOD YPA is >8.2.
He was not good in that space and Brian Kelly and Denbrock have said as much.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:51 pm to Tiger1988
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Ummm No it was not. Where the hell are you getting that weed? 5.4 TAMU 5.7 Bama 5.7 Arky
What part of excluding the Arkansas game when he was ill did you not understand?
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A GOOD YPA is >8.2
Only 3 SEC QBs were >8.2 in conference play. And, again, you are choosing to focus on just one piece of the puzzle. On average, that stat is predictive of efficiency, but only because the average QB is average in other dimensions. Daniels is well above average in ball security and rushing ability. That means he can be more efficient than other QBs even if his YPA is lower. Again, the overall efficiency numbers for the LSU offense bear that out.
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His season average was 7.5. He actually has gotten worse every season if his career.
Again, laying aside your overemphasis on one dimension, he still showed improvement in that area as the season progressed. His was sick against Arkansas and subpar against A&M. He played well in the other 6 games down the stretch, including solid YPA in 5 of those 6.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:25 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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What part of excluding the Arkansas game when he was ill did you not understand?
What fricking part of not including UGA or Purdue don’t you get? UGA was beating the brakes off of LSU dumbass. That’s like Jalen Hurts at OU when he had some long passes when he is getting a big broom stick rammed up his arse.
It is about an entire season so you are choosing to isolate a few games when it is clear that every other SEC QB had to deal with shite like the kid from TAMU who
Made LSU look like shite. If you watched the games you saw how much improvement in this area he has to do. Passing his stats with NMSt and UAB doesn’t erase a fricking 4.0 versus AU.
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Again, laying aside your overemphasis on one dimension, he still showed improvement in that area as the season progressed. His was sick against Arkansas and subpar against A&M. He played well in the other 6 games down the stretch, including solid YPA in 5 of those 6
Let’s lay aside every bad games that every SEC QB had like a gimpy Tua versus Burrow and LSU. Yeah I remember that game.
You can’t pick and choose what to include and what not to include as injuries and sickness are part of the game.
frick man.
His OWN COACH CHALLENGED HIM LAST YEAR ALL YEAR.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:29 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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His YPA against Georgia was 8.7. It was 8.2 in the bowl.
So y’all think Purdue was a light game? So now we are counting that fricking beat down by KSt the season before.
UGA was beating the fricking brakes off of LSU. That’s like Hurts throwing for longer passes in 2019 when they are down by 1/2 century.
Has he gotten worse over his career in this area?
Absolutely.
No way to hid the facts.
7 is not respectable either. That’s 50th in the country.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:29 pm to Tiger1988
Tiger1988, there is no reasoning with the JD fan boys, they don’t want to hear logic and statistics that don’t support their belief that JD is god.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:31 pm to Tiger1988
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You can’t pick and choose what to include and what not to include as injuries and sickness are part of the game.
If you are trying to assess whether or not a player is making improvements, then you most certainly take into consideration factors that may have temporarily impeded that progress. How Daniels played against Auburn is fair in assessing his over performance for the season. It doesn’t tell us much about who he was at the end of the year nor what we should expect next year.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:35 pm to MarlboroTiger
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Tiger1988, there is no reasoning with the JD fan boys, they don’t want to hear logic and statistics that don’t support their belief that JD is god.
It’s the exact opposite. There’s no reasoning with someone who wants to look only at one metric and not consider the overall offensive efficiency factors for LSU that were Top 10 in the country.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:36 pm to MikeTheTiger71
Our offense would be better off if we had a QB who could actually push the ball down the field. How many more times are we going to be forced to watch JD scramble around outside of the pocket and then throw the ball out of bounds?
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:57 pm to MarlboroTiger
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Our offense would be better off if we had a QB who could actually push the ball down the field. How many more times are we going to be forced to watch JD scramble around outside of the pocket and then throw the ball out of bounds?
Yes, it would be better with a QB who did everything Daniels does well AND the things he doesn’t do as well. It would not be better with an immobile QB throwing 10+ INTs. The offense was very efficient last year. It wasn’t LSU 2019 good or even Tennessee 2022 good, but it was a Top 10-15 offense in the country. Overall efficiency stats support that.
Daniels made progress throwing downfield in the second half of the season. You can still point to games that weren’t as good, but the trend was in the right direction. A full offseason with the coaches and his teammates should continue that progress along with a more experienced OL.
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