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re: QB update: Harris back out in Cali working with Whitfield
Posted on 5/19/15 at 4:04 pm to GeeOH
Posted on 5/19/15 at 4:04 pm to GeeOH
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Whitfield teaches technique. The only reason Les doesntblike it is because he's scared a qb like Harris will figure out LM has no fricking clue what qb development really is
And guess who has taught Whitfield what he knows about the quarterback position?
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Whitfield’s respect for Cameron -- now entering his second season as LSU’s offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach after a decade in the NFL as a coordinator and head coach -- traces back more than 20 years. He first worked with Cameron as a pupil, picked his brain as a graduate assistant at Iowa and later interned under Cameron with the San Diego Chargers, where he learned about the importance of attention to detail.
“I would watch how pre-practice he would film quarterback-center exchange for 45 minutes,” recalled Whitfield, who interned with the Chargers in 2007, Rivers’ rookie season. “I admit there were times I was like, ‘Come on, there’s nothing to see here folks,’ but … he put a guy on the ground with a camera shooting up through the center, from the center’s head, and he put a guy on the ground shooting through Philip’s legs so they could see the snap.
“That’s how meticulous he was. And that’s when I thought to myself, ‘Oh I get it. I get it. It ain’t about rah-rah and a good little soundbite. There’s some diligence here.’ That’s why they never lost a snap, the Chargers, in I think like four or five years.”
Today, Whitfield has implemented Cameron’s lessons in his own professional life. He is a noted quarterback guru who runs a youth training academy in San Diego and annually works with some of the NFL draft's top quarterback prospects.
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 4:20 pm to BigBrod81
I'm just gonna bring GeeOH back to the O-T with me. He'll be fine there.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 4:37 pm to Skillet
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:59 pm to BigBrod81
Yet miles comes out a blames coaching for Harris not being prepared. And this is after your boy Whitfield says he's the most talented he's ever seen.
And btw clowns, my milees comment was a backhanded joke. I don't care what MIles says or thinks. I have no doubts on where his qb developing skills rank. Do y'all?
And btw clowns, my milees comment was a backhanded joke. I don't care what MIles says or thinks. I have no doubts on where his qb developing skills rank. Do y'all?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:41 pm to GeeOH
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Yet miles comes out a blames coaching for Harris not being prepared. And this is after your boy Whitfield says he's the most talented he's ever seen.
Miles didn't say anything Cam Cameron hasn't said himself. quote:
Cameron, in speaking to the Greater New Orleans Quarterback Club on Monday, suggested that he might have overloaded LSU’s two young quarterbacks, Anthony Jennings and Brandon Harris, early in the season.
“I think our quarterbacks … I have to be honest with myself: I think I could have done a better job,” Cameron said, according to video of the address via SportsNOLA.com.
“We had young guys. They were different than a fifth-year guy like Zach Mettenberger,” Cameron said. “Having a Drew Brees in the National Football League, or Joe Flacco, Phillip Rivers. I’m evaluating how I’m teaching and try to streamline some things to help Anthony play better, help develop Brandon Harris. I think both of our guys are going to be really productive quarterbacks, but I’ve got to do a better job.”
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Talent doesn't equal experience & knowledge. A quarterback can be as talented as can be but without a complete understanding of reading coverages, adjusting protections & the offensive play book, all that talent is meaningless.
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And btw clowns, my milees comment was a backhanded joke. I don't care what MIles says or thinks. I have no doubts on where his qb developing skills rank. Do y'all?
See, this is what idiots like yourself don't understand & that is that Miles is not QB developer/guru. That's not what his background was as an assistant coach. Too many fans expect Miles to be Art Briles, Kevin Sumlin, Gus Malzahn, Dana Hologersen or any other current head coach who has a background as quarterback coach. That simply is not who he is & is why having an OC like Cam Cameron on the staff who also doubles as an elite QB developer had to become a priority.
By the time Gary Crowton arrived he had just about reached his burn out point & coach Stud was just flat out garbage. If you want to criticize Miles for his hirings, slow firings & general neglect at that coaching position, be my guest because I feel the criticism is valid. Criticizing him for something that isn't his specialty is unjustified though. I find it quite humorous that a very large portion of the fanbase doesn't even realize the huge upgrade the program has in Cam Cameron. Many, like yourself for example, can't even see the forest for the trees.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:26 pm to BigBrod81
Well said Big Brod81! Cam Cameron was the best OC hire at LSU I can remember, 2013, his first year was phenomenal, youth on D was the problem, Yet our veteran DC got a pass for recruiting all those elite Linebackers......... The guy went out and got the best QB in La, the Rant is pissed he couldn't tear up the SEC as a true Frosh? 
BH has 1 year under Cam, AJ has 1 full year with first string snaps at this point. It's safe to say expectations were WAY TOO HIGH in 2014, we lost 1 more game than we did with an NFL QB in Mett.
Both QBs will be better, LSU will be Better.
BH has 1 year under Cam, AJ has 1 full year with first string snaps at this point. It's safe to say expectations were WAY TOO HIGH in 2014, we lost 1 more game than we did with an NFL QB in Mett.
Both QBs will be better, LSU will be Better.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 7:08 am to spiderman
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Glad he's putting in work. Harris will be a hell of a backup QB. No matter what he does though, Miles is not letting him start. Miles has made up his mind that Jennings is his man and nothing Harris does is gonna convince Miles that he should be the starter. Sad but true and this will be proven this season when Jennings continues to struggle, our offense is stagnant and we are losing multiple games and Miles will continue to say he plans on getting Harris playing time but doesn't.
Hey dumbass you do know HARRIS has came out and stated in his own WORDS that he wasn't ready mentally (playbook). Nor was he ready physically and his maturity was lacking. Also it's been proving to be a fact he had a high ankle sprain later in the year when he did start to BEGIN to grasp everything. So your little water cooler, cool guy talk. That you type in every QB thread really makes you look as dumb as you truly are when it comes to football. So please for your own good please stop typing it. It doesn't make you look cool BAW
Posted on 5/20/15 at 7:12 am to goatman1419
This thread....
Posted on 5/20/15 at 7:37 am to BigBrod81
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By the time Gary Crowton arrived he had just about reached his burn out point & coach Stud was just flat out garbage. If you want to criticize Miles for his hirings, slow firings & general neglect at that coaching position, be my guest because I feel the criticism is valid. Criticizing him for something that isn't his specialty is unjustified though. I find it quite humorous that a very large portion of the fanbase doesn't even realize the huge upgrade the program has in Cam Cameron. Many, like yourself for
I agree so why don't he get out of their way
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:08 am to goatman1419
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So your little water cooler, cool guy talk. That you type in every QB thread really makes you look as dumb as you truly are when it comes to football. So please for your own good please stop typing it. It doesn't make you look cool BAW
Just let them keep posting shite like that. It separates the posters that understand football and the dumbasses who just regurgitate what they read, from other dumbasses,on here.
Any poster that thinks Miles would start a qb for any other reason than he believes that qb gives lsu the best chance to win, is a dumbass and id like those posters to be out in the open.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 9:11 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:13 am to PlaylikeJeter
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agree so why don't he get out of their way
What are you talking about? Do you seriously think LSU'S 2014 qb play wouldve been better if Miles would stop meddling.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:23 am to Rickdaddy4188
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What are you talking about? Do you seriously think LSU'S 2014 qb play wouldve been better if Miles would stop meddling
I believe he thought in the beginning of the season that Jennings would be the guy, other wise he would have tried to bring Harris along sooner and started him in the NMSU game. I don't think it is that obvious to him that one QB should be the future QB and the other should be the future backup because he is stuck in the past were QB's are not as important when you have the superior talent. the problem is the SEC has great coach's and superior talent through out the league.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:32 am to LSUTil_iDie
Whitfield is a hack, IMO.
Did nothing for Johnny, nor Winston, nor any other QB.
He's really good at repeating what you want to hear, and using unorthodox training methods that stand out when compared to the norm.
Unorthodox DOES NOT EQUAL good.
ESPN slobs on him because it fits their narrative, and he works with the athletes that generate buzz.
That's great marketing, and a successful business model... however, he's not a miracle worker or even an above average coach in my mind.
With all that said, I like Harris as a QB and I think that he will be a an improvement from the QB play last year for you guys.
However, Whitfield will have had NOTHING to do with that transformation in my mind other than providing reps that Harris could have gotten in any facility in the US.
Did nothing for Johnny, nor Winston, nor any other QB.
He's really good at repeating what you want to hear, and using unorthodox training methods that stand out when compared to the norm.
Unorthodox DOES NOT EQUAL good.
ESPN slobs on him because it fits their narrative, and he works with the athletes that generate buzz.
That's great marketing, and a successful business model... however, he's not a miracle worker or even an above average coach in my mind.
With all that said, I like Harris as a QB and I think that he will be a an improvement from the QB play last year for you guys.
However, Whitfield will have had NOTHING to do with that transformation in my mind other than providing reps that Harris could have gotten in any facility in the US.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:40 am to PlaylikeJeter
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believe he thought in the beginning of the season that Jennings would be the guy, other wise he would have tried to bring Harris along sooner and started him in the NMSU gam
Well yeah. Im sure the coaching staff believe a 2nd year player would have leg up on a true freshman.
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I don't think it is that obvious to him that one QB should be the future QB and the other should be the future backup
It doesn't matter how talented you are if you dont know the offense. Even Harris himself said he didn't know the offense and he was holding himself back.
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because he is stuck in the past were QB's are not as important when you have the superior talent
What? Qbs arent as important if you out talent. The qb wasnt the best offensive player on any of Bama's and Auburn's recent sec title teams either.
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because he is stuck in the past were QB's are not as important when you have the superior talent
And we have a coach with one of the top 5-6 win % in sec history and the #1 ooc win % in sec history.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:42 am to SoberAg
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Whitfield is a hack, IMO.
Yeah, ill take the opinion of NFL scouts,GMs and the agents of the players he coaches over some internet poster.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:50 am to Rickdaddy4188
I had an opinion and shared it on an internet forum.
I made no claim that my opinion was a good one, so you are entitled to do so.
I made no claim that my opinion was a good one, so you are entitled to do so.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:52 am to SoberAg
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Whitfield is a hack, IMO.
Did nothing for Johnny, nor Winston, nor any other QB.
He's really good at repeating what you want to hear, and using unorthodox training methods that stand out when compared to the norm.
Unorthodox DOES NOT EQUAL good.
ESPN slobs on him because it fits their narrative, and he works with the athletes that generate buzz.
That's great marketing, and a successful business model... however, he's not a miracle worker or even an above average coach in my mind.
With all that said, I like Harris as a QB and I think that he will be a an improvement from the QB play last year for you guys.
However, Whitfield will have had NOTHING to do with that transformation in my mind other than providing reps that Harris could have gotten in any facility in the US.
Hate to agree with an Aggie but this is valid. Great coaches coach and show they are great by winning titles and performing on the biggest stages. Wannabes like Whitfield hang around great coaches and run "development" camps.
He's an agent - not a coach. As far as his unique methods go if you had Drew, Tom, and Peyton run around on a beach you might be able to claim that's why they had a great season. Nobody would believe you but you could claim it.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:01 am to matt314
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Hate to agree with an Aggie but this is valid. Great coaches coach and show they are great by winning titles and performing on the biggest stages. Wannabes like Whitfield hang around great coaches and run "development" camps.
Except NFL teams suggest young qbs go to Whitfield. He os widely considered one of the best qb coaches on the planet
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:06 am to matt314
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Hate to agree with an Aggie but this is valid. Great coaches coach and show they are great by winning titles and performing on the biggest stages. Wannabes like Whitfield hang around great coaches and run "development" camps.
Except NFL teams suggest young qbs go to Whitfield. He os widely considered one of the best qb coaches on the planet
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:07 am to matt314
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He's an agent - not a coach
You summed up my own opinion a lot better than I did myself.
I am a firm believer in quality reps being key to success in ANY field of work.
I think Whitfield camps serve their purpose in providing reps for the athletes who participate, but nothing separates this from an activity-specific workout in any other setting.
What DOES make it special is the awareness and buzz it generates for the athlete, and the interest that surrounds swatting at QB's with broomsticks.
It's different. It's marketable. It's not necessarily effective.
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