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re: QB debate should center around one thing: Offensive Production
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:50 pm to moneyg
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:50 pm to moneyg
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You did a lot of analysis to ignore a very basic and important fact. The OL in 2008 was 10x better than the OL in 2009. Compare the production of Charles Scott from the two years and you'll see a huge difference.
Lee may indeed be the better QB. But, your analysis is very simplistic and frankly is useless.
why can't you frickin people stop this BS rushing crap between the 2 years... Because our passing attack was so inept last year the other teams STACKED the box to take out the only attack that could basically beat them...
Jefferson had PLENTY of time to find receivers and simply just didn't do it... Just rewatch the FL game...
Just like it seemed like Lee saw only his team in 08', Jefferson saw only the other team in 09'... So you go ahead and pick your poison... I'm going with whoever scores ne the most points... Or at least tries to.
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:52 pm to RobbBobb
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CS ran for 28 yds in that games.
I wonder if that was because Arky stacked the box against JJ? I mean CS was averaging 100 yards a game, until that game.
I wonder what changed? Considering Arky had the 91st ranked team on stopping the run.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:54 pm to TIsuGGER
JJ did not play completely horrible in his first start as a true freshmen. He wasn't great, but was decent.
The offense was a lot better in the GT game also.
The offense was a lot better in the GT game also.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:55 pm to P bean
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doc is this guy serious?
100%
robbboob msutiger and tigrlee
all serious
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:55 pm to TIsuGGER
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I wonder what changed? Considering Arky had the 91st ranked team on stopping the run.
Dont bring that junk up in here. Some are positive that the Oline in '08 would have never allowed that to happen to a 100 yd rusher against such a poor rush defense.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:56 pm to RobbBobb
Strike two? For real robob this is baseball now what a dork...
Thats a good point mentioned earler and i agree jj gotta make them pay for stacking the box, but you cant blame this on jj... We changed our whole run scheme for 2009 and it blew up in our faces... We had a good rushing game against arky in 2008 arsehole, chuck had a bad game tho but we ran on arky all game, g tech in the bowl game too
Thats a good point mentioned earler and i agree jj gotta make them pay for stacking the box, but you cant blame this on jj... We changed our whole run scheme for 2009 and it blew up in our faces... We had a good rushing game against arky in 2008 arsehole, chuck had a bad game tho but we ran on arky all game, g tech in the bowl game too
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:56 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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Peyton manning could not score on Alabama.
and jordan jefferson threw a really good TD against them
so...
look here for proof
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:59 pm to TheDoc
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robbboob msutiger and tigrlee
all serious
Its hard to joke about a guy that scores more often, and has only 11 less pts. While having 5 less starts.
Translated that means, JJ scores only 2.2 pts a game in those extra 5 starts.
Thats not even a FG per game.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:00 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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Atleast admit there should be an open qb competition.
there has been an open competition every year...
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:02 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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Rob and doc do not read the statistics. Why bother posting them again.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:02 pm to TIsuGGER
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Lee's numbers are comparable either year, but better than JJ's either year, so it doesnt matter which line he was behind.
JJ was better with the 2008 line, but he was an unknown quantity. Once teams started stacking the box, scoring drives dropped to a 3rd of attempts.
And take away special teams and deffense (which were much better in 2009) JJ would have had a 6-6 season.
So you cant credit Lee with a better offense, yet ignore the difference JJ's improved defense and special teams made.
2008: LSU had 27 rushing TDs.
2009: LSU had 15 rushing TDs.
A QB evaluation that is based on total points scored that ignores this fact is borderline retarded.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:02 pm to TheDoc
We only scored 15 on alabama
thanks for strengthening my arguement.
thanks for strengthening my arguement.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:03 pm to P bean
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We had a good rushing game against arky in 2008
quote:
Ke. Williams 7/46
Tr. Holliday 3/38
Charles Scott 12/28
Thats barely 100 yds for the game. Against the worst run defense in the SEC???
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:04 pm to TheDoc
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and jordan jefferson threw a really good TD against them
JJ practiced all week to play Bama. I'm not on board with the stupid Peyton Manning quote but you cannot fault Lee for not playing well in one quarter.
When Colt McCoy got hurt in the NCG, Gilbert didn't really settle until the fourth quarter. You can't just expect to be thrust into the game and perform like an all american.
Funny thing is had UT not thrown that shuttle pass before the half that got returned, Texas very well may have won the game.
My point being that it takes time for you to get a feel for the game when you are subbed in due to injury and Lee just didn't have that luxury.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:05 pm to moneyg
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2008: LSU had 27 rushing TDs.
2009: LSU had 15 rushing TDs.
A QB evaluation that is based on total points scored that ignores this fact is borderline retarded.
Maybe you missed the post where most of those run TDs came from inside the 5 yd line with JLee.
Wonder how the team got there?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:07 pm to arobbi3
Robob, our total rushing yards was higher than that, add in scott a jj's rushing yards too twit... Oh and 2167 yards in 2008 got them there arse...
Oh and passing stats
2009 - 2363 and 19 tds
2008 - 2617 and 21 tds
rushing
2009 - 1596 and 19 tds
2008 - 2168 and 21 tds
See the difference freak shows, get off j lee's balls
Oh and passing stats
2009 - 2363 and 19 tds
2008 - 2617 and 21 tds
rushing
2009 - 1596 and 19 tds
2008 - 2168 and 21 tds
See the difference freak shows, get off j lee's balls
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:09 pm to moneyg
For the last time no team in the history of football can run against 8 men in the box you do not have enough blockers.
Teams stacked the box on Jordan said beat us by passing and he could not do it.
That is the only reason we could not run the ball.
Teams stacked the box on Jordan said beat us by passing and he could not do it.
That is the only reason we could not run the ball.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:11 pm to P bean
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add in scott a jj's rushing yards
strike three. Time to stop posting. Scotts totals are in there.
JJ is a QB not a RB. His yds came from the play breaking down. Not the line opening up holes.
I'd say try again, but it looks like you've already struck out.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:12 pm to RobbBobb
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I'd say try again, but it looks like you've already struck out.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:12 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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We only scored 15 on alabama
thanks for strengthening my arguement.
quote:
Peyton manning could not score on Alabama.
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