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re: Props to Trey’Dez Green
Posted on 10/23/24 at 6:58 am to Codythetiger
Posted on 10/23/24 at 6:58 am to Codythetiger
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I hate to put the comparisons on... but in terms of Burrow and JD - does anybody have the numbers on downfield passing?
Correct. We have become spoiled with Daniels and Burrow making the deep ball look like 5 yard pitch and catch. Nuss hasn't been perfect there, and it's probably the only thing that holds him back from being looked at as the best QB in the nation. If he connects on just half of the ones he probably should have had, he has hundreds more passing yards and plenty more TDs.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 7:00 am to Lester Earl
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Sorry, I don’t talk ball with liars. Just check them when needed
You mean how you've been "checked" for your takes on Weeks?
Posted on 10/23/24 at 7:11 am to Hold That Tiger 10
I tell people I was wrong about Weeks, not that they are liars
Posted on 10/23/24 at 5:15 pm to Lester Earl
Seeing get Lester get owned is priceless, Lester MacMelty! Supersize that plz
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:09 pm to Madking
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He was outstanding throwing deep when BTJ and Nabors were here. Nuss has improved since UGA and Wisky the WRs just aren’t as good.
Cause btj would have 7 yards of separation.
It's harder for nuss this yr. It is what it is. The receivers will have a step and he isn't connecting.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:18 pm to Primeminister337
Lesty’s whole MO is making broad predictions and only coming back when he is correct
It’s kind of a shame because he should lean into what he’s good at (like his in depth baseball posts) instead of just trying to troll
Also this thread is hilarious after listening to 90% of the board saying JD5 was scared to throw downfield in ‘22
It’s kind of a shame because he should lean into what he’s good at (like his in depth baseball posts) instead of just trying to troll
Also this thread is hilarious after listening to 90% of the board saying JD5 was scared to throw downfield in ‘22
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:23 pm to Sun God
Troll meaning you get triggered by facts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:41 pm to Lester Earl
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On throws over 20yds: (18-51, 35% comp). Not going to cut it
It is cutting it though
Posted on 10/23/24 at 10:52 pm to Veritas
Don’t like looking ahead.. by any chance you bring back the nuss bus. At WR, you could see green, Hilton, Anderson, one potential portal guy. This team may take a step forward.
With this being said OL may be a question mark. Losing both tackles and 1 guard. I’d say 1 portal tackle and fill the other two spots with roster players. This team could really be better next year.
With this being said OL may be a question mark. Losing both tackles and 1 guard. I’d say 1 portal tackle and fill the other two spots with roster players. This team could really be better next year.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 3:13 pm to Lester Earl
I'm going to make a basketball analogy for this, which is fitting in a way since the thread was originally about a football-basketball athlete.
NBA -- Attempts of 30+ feet -- 2022-24
(Single seasons with the most attempts via Basketball-Reference. These are for the 2022-23 and 2023-24 NBA seasons. So some guys that attempted a lot of the shots both seasons are listed twice.) The list below will be the attempts on 30+ footers, % on 30+ footers, then overall shot % for that season in parentheses:
Damian Lillard - 117, .325%, (.463%)
Trae Young - 83, .313%, (.429%)
Trae Young - 77, .299%, (.430%)
Stephen Curry - 72, .250%, (.450%)
Jordan Poole - 66, .333%, (.430%)
Stephen Curry 62, .226%, (.493%)
Damian Lillard - 60, .350%, (.424%)
Jordan Poole - 55, .236%, (.413%)
LaMelo Ball - 54, .389%, (.411%)
Tyrese Haliburton - 46, .348%, (.477%)
Fred VanVleet - 46, .152%, (.393%)
Luka Doncic - 40, .250%, (.487%)
Kyle Kuzma - 39, .282%, (.448%)
Luka Doncic - 34, .147%, (.496%)
Tyrese Haliburton - 32, .281%, (.490%)
Okay, now let's hone in on the point, and avoid you getting triggered on your fantasies, or going off into some attempt of a sarcastic rebuttal that's irrelevant.
I added the overall shot % to show a more comprehensive statistic that helps illustrate the point that a player is able to have a good overall season, even if their percentage on the deep 30+ footers is relatively low. The overall % works for brevity with this list, but obviously there are many more aspects of basketball too.
Curry's 2022-23 season is especially illustrative of the point. .226% is low relative to some of the other best long-range shooters. But his overall shot % was very high, and that was the best season of his career for rebounds. Doncic's 2022-23 is illustrative too.
PI penalties are analogous to fouls drawn on 3-pointers. Some guys get to the line a lot with these shots (e.g., Harden, Curry, Lillard).
You could look at just percentages. But that's obviously incomplete. A more complete view would add in fouls drawn, and other relevant factors.
NBA -- Attempts of 30+ feet -- 2022-24
(Single seasons with the most attempts via Basketball-Reference. These are for the 2022-23 and 2023-24 NBA seasons. So some guys that attempted a lot of the shots both seasons are listed twice.) The list below will be the attempts on 30+ footers, % on 30+ footers, then overall shot % for that season in parentheses:
Damian Lillard - 117, .325%, (.463%)
Trae Young - 83, .313%, (.429%)
Trae Young - 77, .299%, (.430%)
Stephen Curry - 72, .250%, (.450%)
Jordan Poole - 66, .333%, (.430%)
Stephen Curry 62, .226%, (.493%)
Damian Lillard - 60, .350%, (.424%)
Jordan Poole - 55, .236%, (.413%)
LaMelo Ball - 54, .389%, (.411%)
Tyrese Haliburton - 46, .348%, (.477%)
Fred VanVleet - 46, .152%, (.393%)
Luka Doncic - 40, .250%, (.487%)
Kyle Kuzma - 39, .282%, (.448%)
Luka Doncic - 34, .147%, (.496%)
Tyrese Haliburton - 32, .281%, (.490%)
Okay, now let's hone in on the point, and avoid you getting triggered on your fantasies, or going off into some attempt of a sarcastic rebuttal that's irrelevant.
I added the overall shot % to show a more comprehensive statistic that helps illustrate the point that a player is able to have a good overall season, even if their percentage on the deep 30+ footers is relatively low. The overall % works for brevity with this list, but obviously there are many more aspects of basketball too.
Curry's 2022-23 season is especially illustrative of the point. .226% is low relative to some of the other best long-range shooters. But his overall shot % was very high, and that was the best season of his career for rebounds. Doncic's 2022-23 is illustrative too.
PI penalties are analogous to fouls drawn on 3-pointers. Some guys get to the line a lot with these shots (e.g., Harden, Curry, Lillard).
You could look at just percentages. But that's obviously incomplete. A more complete view would add in fouls drawn, and other relevant factors.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:23 pm to inadaze
I think very simply, you want to be a stat guy but you don’t understand what it takes to be a stat guy.
Your findings on 30ft three pointers is fine. But you A) use FG% as a reference point (lol) and B) you do not give any context on what a good % is from 30+ft. This exercise is pointless to anyone that understands statistics
Able to have a good overall season is general and means nothing without any context. Nothing you have cited defines what is good or what is a good season.
Further more, a 30ft three pointer is certainly not synonymous with success like deep throw success is for football.
“Able to have a good season” is like you saying “oh yea, but what about that 1 nice deep throw Nuss had at South Carolina?” Sorry buddy; but your emotions can only dictate what is good in bad in your own mind.
Your findings on 30ft three pointers is fine. But you A) use FG% as a reference point (lol) and B) you do not give any context on what a good % is from 30+ft. This exercise is pointless to anyone that understands statistics
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that a player is able to have a good overall season, even if their percentage on the deep 30+ footers is relatively low.
Able to have a good overall season is general and means nothing without any context. Nothing you have cited defines what is good or what is a good season.
Further more, a 30ft three pointer is certainly not synonymous with success like deep throw success is for football.
“Able to have a good season” is like you saying “oh yea, but what about that 1 nice deep throw Nuss had at South Carolina?” Sorry buddy; but your emotions can only dictate what is good in bad in your own mind.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 10:39 pm to Lester Earl
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I think very simply
Too simply. Too projectively, and too invalidly.
You've identified your own issue again with the "stat guy" thing. You post fragmented sets of statistics again and again as if that's the endgame of sports. It's not. Statistics are a reflection of what happens on the field, court, etc. At times, if viewed with good context, they may tell you something meaningful. But at times, especially if the view is too fragmented, they may not. Then you keep misusing the word context.
As far as context for good NBA shooters at 30+ feet, it's in that list for high-volume shooters. That context is set from year-to-year by the best shooters in the league, and it doesn't extend much beyond that for two reasons. One, there aren't a lot of high-volume shooters from that range currently. And two, there were even fewer in the past. Shooting from this range with volume is a relatively new phenomenon, led by Curry. If you're familiar with the NBA, this'll make sense. If not, the analogy may not land.
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defines what is good or what is a good season
Curry and Doncic had good seasons in 2022-23.
Nussmeier is currently having a good season.
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synonymous with success like deep throw success is for football.
Analogies are not synonyms. They're comparisons with otherwise different things to illustrate a point. And there's more here than you realize. The effects deep shooters have on defenses in basketball are analogous to the effects of deep balls in football. Guys who have good shooting range force defenses to extend themselves to contest the shots, opening up driving lanes, and more space between defenders for short and intermediate shots. Deep balls have similar effects in that defenses are forced to put more guys in coverage and/or play deeper, opening up run lanes, and more space between defenders for short and intermediate passes.
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nice deep throw Nuss had at South Carolina?
It was a good pass, and there have been a lot more than that, and I've referenced some of them several times. It's just that you avoid them and cling to your narrative, and keep going off into rebuttals that end up in nonsense of some form or another.
This post was edited on 10/24/24 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 10/24/24 at 11:25 pm to Lester Earl
By the way, other defensive penalties apply to the analogy on penalties and fouls. For example, late hits on QBs. There are really even some skills that go along with that in extending plays until the last few seconds, or milliseconds, that defenders are able to get there, while avoiding sacks.
Mahomes has some of the best skills in football this area.
Have you seen Mahomes' numbers on deep balls last season?
Top 10 NFL quarterbacks by targeted depth in 2023
Mahomes has some of the best skills in football this area.
Have you seen Mahomes' numbers on deep balls last season?
Top 10 NFL quarterbacks by targeted depth in 2023
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Mahomes was the second-lowest-graded passer on deep balls, as only Baker Mayfield had a lower deep-ball grade than Mahomes’ 71.9. Mahomes completed just 20 out of 71 deep ball attempts for 695 yards with one touchdown and eight interceptions
Posted on 10/25/24 at 6:29 am to inadaze
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You post fragmented sets of statistics again and again as if that's the endgame of sports
It’s never ever an end game. But again, you cannot just contextualize the statistic for what it is because you are biased & emotional.
Stats are not biased. People are.
Me: “Nussmeier has not been good on deep balls”
you to me:
-you don’t think he’s good
-you don’t think he can improve
- that one nice deep ball vs Nicholls state proves he can throw a deep ball
-he is the Steph curry 30ft three pointer of deep ball throwing
All this irrelevant shite does not pertain to anything I’ve said.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 7:09 am to Lester Earl
Take it for what it's worth, but I was watching Todd McShay (NFL analyst), David Pollock and Steve Muench (NFL draft analyst) and they all agreed that Nuss is the best QB in the SEC.
There is no doubt he has weaknesses and areas that need to develop, but pretty high praise for a guy that's started 8 games in CFB. I will caveat that none of the SEC QBs are performing at an elite level this season despite having a lot of projected 1st RD type talent.
There is no doubt he has weaknesses and areas that need to develop, but pretty high praise for a guy that's started 8 games in CFB. I will caveat that none of the SEC QBs are performing at an elite level this season despite having a lot of projected 1st RD type talent.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 7:14 am to Veritas
His size alone makes him an obvious high-point target in a have-to-have-it moment, but he also appears to have big, strong hands not prone to drops, albeit our data population sample is limited.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 7:16 am to Veritas
Looks like a forward to me.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 8:35 am to BayouCowboy
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and they all agreed that Nuss is the best QB in the SEC.
Depends on the day, but not far fetched. The SEC QB class has largely been disappointing
This post was edited on 10/25/24 at 8:36 am
Posted on 10/25/24 at 12:06 pm to Lester Earl
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It’s never ever an end game. But again, you cannot just contextualize the statistic for what it is because you are biased & emotional. Stats are not biased. People are. Me: “Nussmeier has not been good on deep balls” you to me: -you don’t think he’s good -you don’t think he can improve - that one nice deep ball vs Nicholls state proves he can throw a deep ball -he is the Steph curry 30ft three pointer of deep ball throwing All this irrelevant shite does not pertain to anything I’ve said.
Word vomit after being checked.
I’m still waiting on you to tell me who is Nabers and Thomas Jr on this team and who is Jefferson, Chase and Marshall on this team? You ACTUALLY believe the receivers don’t matter and the fact that ALL THAT WORK THIS SUMMER WITH GUYS WHO ARE NOT PLAYING MATTERS.
Your comment about these eyes earlier in this thread spoke directly to your bias.
You’re ignorant man. That is all I got for you and this non-sense.
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