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re: Probably the best melt thread after the O hire
Posted on 12/14/19 at 10:22 am to VermilionTiger
Posted on 12/14/19 at 10:22 am to VermilionTiger
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And 75% of the O hate was because of the hiring process. 25% was due to his lack of credentials
Here is where you out yourself. He had the credentials for the job over Herman. Detractors would point back to a decades old Ole Miss record as if that negated everything he has done in the years since.
Further Herman's resume wasn't all that great. He had a successful season in a weak conference but also had some serious warning signs with some questionable losses.
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Posted on 12/14/19 at 10:54 am to Tiger Ree
I could understand people wanting another coach hired or not liking the hire at the time. That would be reasonable (but wrong). What was fricked up was once he was hired was not wanting to give him a chance and already had made up their mind on him. They dogged coach O constantly on this site for the last 3 years, since the day he was hired. They were so arrogant and insulting to other posters who could see the positives in Coach O and what he was doing with the program. They deserve to get some shite, at least for a little while.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 11:00 am to boxcar willie
That's a great point, for a while if you spoke positive of O you were ridiculed on here like nothing else. Hell, I think ADMINs would even send you a PM and tell you to stop trolling
Posted on 12/14/19 at 11:07 am to Tiger Ree
quote:literally never heard anyone say this irl. It was simply his flame out at Ole Miss. period. Generally speaking failed coaches fail again.
Ogre, cookie monster, shrimp boat captain, cheerios, captain caveman, etc, etc, etc, etc. for several years.
Yes I understand some move in to great success. But Pete Carroll is the exception. Curley Hellman is the rule.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 11:09 am to Lester Earl
I mean I said outside of 8 players. A damn strong 8 players but there is no depth outside of them.
That's 8 players. The rest of the class is really really not good. It makes the 2019 and 2020 class step in and have to be really good fast. I mean 3 people from our 2018 class came in as JRs so that means we won't have their depth or talent next year in 2020.
From the 2019 class, these players are going to be elite/start/contribute a ton or have already contributed a lot or have shown that they have the talent to contribute:
Stingley, Emery, Brooks, Kardell Thomas, Trey Palmer, Davonte Lee, Hampton, Apu Ika, Davis Price, Raydarious Jones, Jay Ward, Flott, Cade York, Skinner (LS next 4 years), Palmer.
Players who we will find out about real fast:
Parker, Bradford, Parrish, Perry, Joe Evans, Funua, McClendon, Little,
Misses:
McCollum
That is a damn fantastic class where more players have already contributed than the entirety of the 2018.
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Clark
Chase
Marshall
Hines
Rosenthal
Are all starters or future starters
Joseph would have been.
Burrow, Damien Lewis, and Cole Tracy
That's 8 players. The rest of the class is really really not good. It makes the 2019 and 2020 class step in and have to be really good fast. I mean 3 people from our 2018 class came in as JRs so that means we won't have their depth or talent next year in 2020.
From the 2019 class, these players are going to be elite/start/contribute a ton or have already contributed a lot or have shown that they have the talent to contribute:
Stingley, Emery, Brooks, Kardell Thomas, Trey Palmer, Davonte Lee, Hampton, Apu Ika, Davis Price, Raydarious Jones, Jay Ward, Flott, Cade York, Skinner (LS next 4 years), Palmer.
Players who we will find out about real fast:
Parker, Bradford, Parrish, Perry, Joe Evans, Funua, McClendon, Little,
Misses:
McCollum
That is a damn fantastic class where more players have already contributed than the entirety of the 2018.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 11:14 am to LSUsmartass
It was a horrible hire at the time. The man was 10-25 as a HC in the SEC. The way he and Kiffin departed Tennessee didn't help either. Syracuse didn't want him as HC a year earlier.
I will admit I was wrong about the hire. It worked out perfectly. But... It was not a good showing by our AD at all.
I will admit I was wrong about the hire. It worked out perfectly. But... It was not a good showing by our AD at all.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 11:19 am to LSUsmartass
I love this wisdom
We are on the front end of our long journey into the football wilderness that was LSU's program in the 1990's. Folks that like this hire are just too young, didn't live through it or are completely blind to the type of coach it takes to win....really win.
We are on the front end of our long journey into the football wilderness that was LSU's program in the 1990's. Folks that like this hire are just too young, didn't live through it or are completely blind to the type of coach it takes to win....really win.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 11:37 am to Sentrius
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Is this where we pretend in hindsight that a bean counting a-hole like Joe Alleva kept Ed Orgeron because he really thought he was the best coach available?
Is this where we pretend to know more than the people involved in the hire?
Posted on 12/14/19 at 11:41 am to Bottom9
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I mean I said outside of 8 players. A damn strong 8 players but there is no depth outside of them.
Well look at the #2 ranked 2016 class that had 27 signees. How many top line players and depth did it produce? 2018 was not and is not a bad class and still has other players that you may hear of before it is all said and done.
And any class that produces not only a Heisman trophy winner but also a Biletnikoff Award winner is pretty damn good in my book.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 11:50 am to ShermanTxTiger
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It was a horrible hire at the time
It wasn't a horrible hire at the time and it is not a horrible hire now. To say otherwise is ridiculous.
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The man was 10-25 as a HC in the SEC
He was 5-2 at USC after the previous coach was fired at the airport after five games into the 2013 season. He took an unranked team to being ranked and playing in a bowl game. The previous coach had goine 4-7 in the previous 11 games.
He was 6-2 at LSU after the previous coach was fired after four games into the 2016 season. He took an unranked team to being ranked and winning a bowl game. The previous coach had gone 4-5 in the previous nine games.
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The way he and Kiffin departed Tennessee didn't help either
Didn't hurt either, just as it should not have.
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Syracuse didn't want him as HC a year earlier.
Wonder how they feel about that now? You think they are saying Eaux becoming the LSU head coach was a horrible hire at the time?
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But... It was not a good showing by our AD at all.
You keep saying this and provide the most ridiculous BS to back up your stance. He left Tennessee, Syracuse, over a decade ago at a shite program, duh, duh, duh.
The only thing you said that was correct was:
"I was wrong about the hire"
Posted on 12/14/19 at 12:22 pm to Lester Earl
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You have to keep in mind that they actually didn’t fire him. They couldn’t, cause they had nothing on him except for making donors mad about Will Wade, which he handled correctly
You are such a clown
Posted on 12/14/19 at 12:25 pm to Tiger Ree
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It wasn't a horrible hire at the time
Yep. A retarded takeby super opinionated people who have absolutely no clue how things occurred outside the girl gossip chatter line.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 1:30 pm to Tiger Ree
It wasn't a horrible hire at the time and it is not a horrible hire now. To say otherwise is ridiculous.
I never said it was a horrible hire now. Did you take reading comprehension in school? I guess where you missed me saying "It worked out perfectly"
He was a HC only at Ole Miss. Interim crap is just that. I never mentioned the fact he let UF beat us at home when he was an interim.
For LSU in November 2016 to hire Orgeron was a major stretch and an incompetent hire. Aleva saying he was the search tells you all you need to know. It was a lucky hire, not a smart one.
The man deserves all the credit in the world for what he has done.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 1:37 pm to Bottom9
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That is a damn fantastic class where more players have already contributed than the entirety of the 2018.
2019 will be one of the best classes of the last 20 years. So yea, i agree.
Look at some past classes tho. You get 8-11 big contributors
Posted on 12/14/19 at 1:37 pm to LNCHBOX
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You are such a clown
refute anything I just said
Oh yea, you cant
Posted on 12/14/19 at 1:39 pm to Lester Earl
You are basically the only person that thinks he handled the Wade situation correctly. I'm not wasting my time trying to convince you of anything.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 1:42 pm to LNCHBOX
Why did Will Wade decide to sit out for 40 days before he spoke to LSU?
Posted on 12/14/19 at 1:44 pm to ShermanTxTiger
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Aleva saying he was the search tells you all you need to know
It does? What does it tell me?
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It was a lucky hire, not a smart one.
Did you watch USC and LSU after Eaux took over? Were you at the interview with Alleva and Eaux? Do you KNOW what was in the binder?
You don't know shite, quit acting like you do.
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I never mentioned the fact he let UF beat us at home when he was an interim.
Holy shite. He must be the first coach ever to lose to the Florida Gators. Where is he at right now? Call and fire him immediately. The Florida Gators? Damn!!!
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For LSU in November 2016 to hire Orgeron was a major stretch and an incompetent hire
No it wasn't. It was a great hire. I don't know why you feel the need to keep saying this. Where were you Thursday night when he was given one of many awards he has and will receive for being the coach of the year???
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The man deserves all the credit in the world for what he has done
What man? The one you keep adamantly stating shouldn't have been hired in the first place?? That man?
Posted on 12/14/19 at 2:21 pm to Tiger Ree
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What man? The one you keep adamantly stating shouldn't have been hired in the first place?? That man?
Congrats! You have officially graduated from clown school.
Orgeron turned out to be an excellent hire. He deserves credit for all he did. If you think it was a brilliant hire in Nov 2016 looking back, you are right. At the time it was pretty damned irresponsible the way Alleva handled it. The last time we promoted an assistant defensive coach to HC was in 1987 with Mike Archer. We passed on Steve Spurrier, Sam Rutigliano and Mike Shanahan for the popular "he is our guy coach".
In 1999 we passed on taking the interim tag off of Hal Hunter who was 1-0 and led LSU to destroy Arkansas the last game of the year, Governor Mike Foster said we should have offered him the job with a one year contract. We hired Saban instead. I guess we should have done that too. The man had a 100% winning record as HC.
Posted on 12/14/19 at 2:42 pm to ShermanTxTiger
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At the time it was pretty damned irresponsible the way Alleva handled it
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