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preparing for 3-4 defense

Posted on 12/6/11 at 8:58 pm
Posted by LSUkoozie
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 8:58 pm
im not a football coach by any means nor do i really care about the nuances of "the game inside the game". so im asking the, i believe bama plays a 3-4, is that easier or harder to prepare in terms of scheming and learning blocking assigments compared to 4-3 etc?
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 8:59 pm to
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:01 pm to
quote:

nor do i really care about the nuances of "the game inside the game".


if you know nothing about plays(x's and O's) or terminology or basic strategy, i really would not know where to start with you. Have you ever played ball on any level?
Posted by LsuTool
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:02 pm to
It's harder for the Olineman to recognize who is going to blitz because they have players that can play LB or put their hand in the dirt and lineup as a DE. That ability allows the defense to be even more mutliple with it's blitz schemes, and disguise what they are going to do presnap.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 9:04 pm
Posted by fightingtigers98
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:05 pm to
the 3-4 makes it easier to disguise stunts and blitzes, you see a LB in the dirt acting like a DE and the QB reads blitz so he makes an audible to quick route, but the DE who is a LB can fall back in coverage or blitz which causes turnovers

Posted by StreetDiction
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:07 pm to
Bama isn't always in the 3 4 plus upshaw is much slower than our DEs. We will most likely use misdirection more this game though.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:07 pm to
Depends on what you play against more. 4-3 is usually stock, so 3-4 would inherently be more difficult because you play against it less. But along those thoughts a 6-2-3 would be even more difficult. But that's not necessarily the case.

It really has to do with gap responsibility, which is simple but changes on defensive alignment.

A NT is a 0 - over the center. Think middle odd, lined up over a man even from there on both sides. The 4-3 doesn't have a NT unless they shift the line.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:08 pm to
Huge OLBs. But fat bastards that can't run wide. Simply put, we wore UGA's 4-3 down bc they have no depth. Can't do that against the gumps. We have to get those edges established and run wide. But Les will mix it up a little from last time. Don't think they will just run straight option with MF in the beginning. They will add a wrinkle. Gumps will not add a wrinkle. Saban is not as great at preparing for bowls with a month as Les is. The records say it all. We are going to win. It won't be high scoring but it will be more than 9-6. We should score some TDs in the Dome.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:09 pm to
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but the DE who is a LB can fall back in coverage or blitz which causes turnovers


a 4-3 front can do zone blitzes also. You can disguise with either front. Both have pros and cons. The question is does the OP understand the OL assignments against a 4-3 and then a 3-4? in man blocking schemes? zone blocking schemes? the strengths of a 3-4 versus a 4-3?etc, etc.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 9:11 pm
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:14 pm to
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The question is does the OP understand the OL assignments against a 4-3 and then a 3-4? in man blocking schemes? zone blocking schemes? etc, etc.
This.

And with a 3-4 defense, the (1)NT and (2)DT have a huge responsibility to eat space and cover their gaps to free up the (4) LBs. (This is regardless of zone blitzing, etc).

If they (the 3 DL) are talented enough and play assignments to control the LOS, then the 3-4 is probably harder to play against depending on the LB talent.

If they (the 3 DL) are lacking and out of position and can't control the LOS, then playing the 3-4 is a mistake.

It's one of the reasons every team doesn't just magically switch to a 3-4 defense. You need the players.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

And with a 3-4 defense, the (1)NT and (2)DT have a huge responsibility to eat space and cover their gaps to free up the (4) LBs. (This is regardless of zone blitzing, etc).


correctamundo!

a 3-4 is used by teams with LB's who are better than the D line. A 4-3 uses D lineman who are better than their LB's. IOW, Lb is strength of 34 and D line is strength of a 43.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:31 pm to
The 3/4 has to be harder to block it seams, so many different looks and stunts. Bama is unique with their man/zone combos.

They don't even blitz that much or have that many sacks even, they have very complicated coverage that can fool the best qb's. They have just about all senior studs out there that know know their assignments backwards and forwards. Closest thing you will get to a pro defense in college.

We were able to adjust to Georgia, bama is harder to adjust to.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:34 pm to
quote:

And with a 3-4 defense, the (1)NT and (2)DT have a huge responsibility to eat space and cover their gaps to free up the (4) LBs. (This is regardless of zone blitzing, etc). If they (the 3 DL) are talented enough and play assignments to control the LOS, then the 3-4 is probably harder to play against depending on the LB talent. If they (the 3 DL) are lacking and out of position and can't control the LOS, then playing the 3-4 is a mistake. It's one of the reasons every team doesn't just magically switch to a 3-4 defense. You need the players.


This is the explanation
Posted by CalTiger
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:41 pm to
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We were able to adjust to Georgia, bama is harder to adjust to.


In the first half of the game yes- but in the second half our production was thrice as much as our 1st half production and twice that of bama's.

It could be because their 3-4 were not fresh as a daisy ( not saying that they were gassed) in comparison to how our 4-3 were (thanks to depth & substitution).
Posted by TheBob
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:42 pm to
It's not too complicated at all. Regardless of what defense you go against, you usually have set rules that you go by depending on what scheme you are running offensively.

You have your rules for zone, power, speed option, etc. Then you go off of those based on where defenders are lined up.
Posted by lsufball19
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

so im asking the, i believe bama plays a 3-4, is that easier or harder to prepare in terms of scheming and learning blocking assigments compared to 4-3 etc

it's harder because the blitzes come from more directions and OL have to be a lot smarter and alert picking up their assignments, especially when a team has LBs as good as Bama. Good thing we've played several games this season already against teams who only use 3 down linemen in WVU, Bama, and UGA
Posted by bayoubreeze
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:47 pm to
Bama uses the fat asses to take up space, we go side to side with our speed and by the 4th Q or OT them fat asses is gassed!
Posted by csorre1
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:55 pm to
Lsu played against a similar 3-4 front in the SECCG. That should help some in getting ready for Bama.
Posted by Defense
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:58 pm to
By design the 3-4 is set up to stop the pass. The perfect O for it is the option. If they cant tackle the Qb before the pitch its gonna get yards. I expect Bama to change up a bit when the speedier backs are in. We only have one QB to prepare for this time, also which may make it a bit easier. We have just as much depth as LSU.
Posted by LSUkoozie
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:00 pm to
thanks for trying to help me understand . i guess to make it easier on you guys ill rephrase the question. as a coach what setup would you rather scheme for in order. 3-4? 4-3? etc etc
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