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re: Please convince me this is not Tepper's drop linebacker def.

Posted on 3/16/09 at 8:29 am to
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 8:29 am to
quote:

he dropped big, slow, white LBs


Uhh Tepper NEVER had a white drop Linebacker! Dunson was NOT the drop Linebacker he was the INSIDE linebacker unless you are calling Jamal Hill white?
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
46367 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 8:29 am to
quote:

15 of the 20 years the man coached it was top 5


nationally or in the SEC?
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23282 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 8:30 am to
The SEC.........you know the most competitive conference in the country.........where teams had the likes of Danny Wuerffel........Peyton Manning.......Eli Manning.......Josh Reed......Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown, and Caddy.......
This post was edited on 3/16/09 at 8:32 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476560 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 8:31 am to
quote:

The SEC.........

wait...what?



15/20 YEARS IT'S TOP HALF IN THE CONFERENCE, YA'ERD?!?!?!?!
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23282 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 8:32 am to
Show me another team with that consistency and I will take down your idoitic statement.
This post was edited on 3/16/09 at 8:33 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476560 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 8:34 am to
what idiotic statement?
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23282 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 8:35 am to
Nevermind you still believe Matt Jones is one of the top 20 athletes in the SEC's history.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Uhh Tepper NEVER had a white drop Linebacker! Dunson was NOT the drop Linebacker he was the INSIDE linebacker unless you are calling Jamal Hill white?


don't you love hot carl's revisionist history?

Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36214 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 9:00 am to
People at LSU are going to hate Chavis after the next three years. He's known for soft coverage and lack of game time adjustments. As for his national ranking,


1999: 11th
2000: 13th
2001: 13th
2002: 5th
2003: 22nd
2004: 45th
2005: 7th
2006: 50th
2007: 70th
2008: 4th


My concern is his ability to adjust to all the new coaches in the SEC like UM, Saban, Petino and Kiffin. He hasn't fared well against Urban or Saban at all so far.


Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9165 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 9:01 am to
quote:

BIG MAC

Compare the results of Chavis vs Tepper.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 9:02 am to
quote:

Nevermind you still believe Matt Jones is one of the top 20 athletes in the SEC's history.


still makes me chuckle

Posted by Bad Cat
Painted Post, NY
Member since Jan 2004
12091 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 9:17 am to
quote:

Please convince me I am wrong.


You are obviously under the mistaken idea that we care if you are wrong.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 9:56 am to
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All schemes drop LBs into zone coverage sometimes.


most of the also require LB's to, dare I say, read and react...
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 11:42 am to
Why would anyone listen to a guy who's sig quote is from the f'n "Bachelor"?
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 11:47 am to
quote:

He hasn't fared well against Urban or Saban at all so far.



what defense played Florida better than UT last year?
Posted by Peachtree Tiger
Member since Jan 2004
3232 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 12:12 pm to
The concept is similar. If you don't want to shift to nickle as much, then you need a LB that can cover. However, this is where the similarity ends. While this is similar, Chavis has proved his scheme works, while Tepper sucked wind. As they say, it's all in the presentation.
Posted by Commando
Never Never Land
Member since Jan 2009
2814 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

one of Tepper's problems was that he dropped big, slow, white LBs


Not true-they were deceptively fast. And heady.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 3/16/09 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

See attached article from The Advocate. Linebacker changes sound alot like Lou Tepper's awful failure know as the "drop linebacker".
Doesn't really sound like it at all. Tepper's scheme was not about simply dropping a linebacker back into coverage, it involved the same "Drop Linebacker" having responsibility for pass coverage, pass rush and run contain on the same play. There's not a lot of guys -- LBs or otherwise -- who can cover a receiver AND rush the QB at the same time. I guess Simeon Rice and Kevin Hardy could (almost the only times Tepper's defense was successful anywhere was when he had one of those two guys), but guys like that are fairly rare.

Besides, the article does not actually say that the LBs will be dropping into coverage every time they run out a 3 or 4 WR set, and it doesn't say that we will keep all our LBs in there when teams go with 5 WRs. If there is a 4 WR set, we may go man coverage on all four with our DBs and blitz the LBs. We don't know.

All I know is that Tepper had two years in the SEC, and Chavis has had 15-20 as a DC. And I'm not sure Chavis has ever had a defense as bad as the best one Tepper had at LSU.

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