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Pitching Rotation
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:31 am
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:31 am
I'm all for keeping Anderson and even Eyanson in weekend rotation, but I think Shores needs to be swapped out for either Cowan or Evans. Shores has been getting ate up lately, and you would still have Cowan/Evans come out the bullpen. It would give us a better chance of winning with one of them starting over Shores, and with Guidry coming back soon hopefully, it would give us another bullpen piece to go to if need be.
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:37 am to HvacGoon
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, but I think Shores needs to be swapped out for either Cowan or Evans.
I just cannot get down with this. No matter how good of a start Cowan or Evans has we will still need someone to finish games and get the hardest outs to get which are at the end of games. No lead would be safe once you burn the guy who doesnt start between Cowan and Evans. Then what do you suggest they do with Shores. If he's struggling at the beginning of games, Imagine how bad he struggles with the game on the line.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 8:38 am
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:37 am to HvacGoon
Agree he sucks
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:38 am to HvacGoon
I know many people want to keep Cowan in the pen, but not me. You have 27 innings to worry about over the weekend. I'd rather have Cowan pitch 6+ innings on a Sunday than 3 innings over the whole weekend. He was a workhorse at Wofford last year and averaged 6.5 innings per start including 3 complete games.
I thought Eyanson did fine on Saturday and wouldn't have pulled him that early. If you get 6 innings from your starters, which I think we can with Anderson, Eyanson, and Cowan, you only need to fill about 9 innings with the pen. Evans and Shores could chew up a good bit of that.
I thought Eyanson did fine on Saturday and wouldn't have pulled him that early. If you get 6 innings from your starters, which I think we can with Anderson, Eyanson, and Cowan, you only need to fill about 9 innings with the pen. Evans and Shores could chew up a good bit of that.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:40 am to HvacGoon
I think you keep the pitching rotation how it is for at least 3 more weeks. At that point, I think you re-evaluate the pitching roles based on what has transpired to that point.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:48 am to ccox11
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I think you keep the pitching rotation how it is for at least 3 more weeks. At that point, I think you re-evaluate the pitching roles based on what has transpired to that point.
You can't give Shores 3 more weeks to figure it out. last year, Jay yanked Hurd from the rotation after two SEC series. Hurd was pitching fine through 4 innings, but tanking in the 5th & 6th. Shores can't even even make it to the 5th. Last year, Arky was the 3rd SEC series and a thurs - sat series like this week against State. Coleman started the Thursday game in order to keep Holman and Jump on their schedule. Don't be surprised if Jay doesn't do something similar.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:50 am to HvacGoon
I'm not with you on this. As much as I thought that Cowan and Evans were somewhat mismanaged this past weekend, we still need them in the pen. We saw something very similar last year with Gage Jump. He was good in the pre conference, then really struggle in his first 5 SEC series, then hit his stride. I believe Shores can do something similar.
As of now, it's very likely that at least one game per weekend, a starter will not be able to go very long. We need those long relief guys that we can count on to get 3 innings in the middle of a game.
As of now, it's very likely that at least one game per weekend, a starter will not be able to go very long. We need those long relief guys that we can count on to get 3 innings in the middle of a game.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:51 am to HvacGoon
I’m hopeful the rotation is solidified once Guidry is back.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:53 am to notbilly
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You can't give Shores 3 more weeks to figure it out. last year, Jay yanked Hurd from the rotation after two SEC series. Hurd was pitching fine through 4 innings, but tanking in the 5th & 6th. Shores can't even even make it to the 5th. Last year, Arky was the 3rd SEC series and a thurs - sat series like this week against State. Coleman started the Thursday game in order to keep Holman and Jump on their schedule. Don't be surprised if Jay doesn't do something similar.
Last year this is the ERA for each of Gage Jump's first 5 SEC games:
9.82 ERA - 3.2 IP
3.18 ERA - 5.2 IP
9.82 ERA - 3.2 IP
6.75 ERA - 5.1 IP
11.25 ERA - 4.0 IP
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 8:55 am
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:57 am to notbilly
If we can't look at Shores and tell he doesn't have what it takes, then what the heck.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:00 am to HvacGoon
I thnk Cowan for Shores makes a lot of sense but maybe not until Guidry is back as a means of shoring up the pen.
Shores is a reliever, flat out. He has 1 pitch he throws for a strike and every team is just sitting on it at this point. 4 weeks in a row now he's been hit around, which the first 2 weeks against non SEC teams it wasnt hard contact, but still a lot of contact. Shores could get away with it mostly if he didnt have control issues but 2-3-4 free passes in 4 innings or less catches up to you if you give up 1.5 hits an inning at this point. Its easy to work your way around some a single or two an inning if you arent giving free passes away. but he is giving up free passes and frankly against Texas they got a lot of hard contact on him which you REALLY cant give free passes away if they are getting hard contact on you. SEC hitters are going to be relentless on his fastball if he cant get the breaking pitch worked in more and better. They just constantly foul off his fastball until they put it in play or take a walk.
Shores is a reliever, flat out. He has 1 pitch he throws for a strike and every team is just sitting on it at this point. 4 weeks in a row now he's been hit around, which the first 2 weeks against non SEC teams it wasnt hard contact, but still a lot of contact. Shores could get away with it mostly if he didnt have control issues but 2-3-4 free passes in 4 innings or less catches up to you if you give up 1.5 hits an inning at this point. Its easy to work your way around some a single or two an inning if you arent giving free passes away. but he is giving up free passes and frankly against Texas they got a lot of hard contact on him which you REALLY cant give free passes away if they are getting hard contact on you. SEC hitters are going to be relentless on his fastball if he cant get the breaking pitch worked in more and better. They just constantly foul off his fastball until they put it in play or take a walk.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 9:04 am
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:02 am to LSBoosie
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Last year this is the ERA for each of Gage Jump's first 5 SEC games:
9.82 ERA - 3.2 IP
3.18 ERA - 5.2 IP
9.82 ERA - 3.2 IP
6.75 ERA - 5.1 IP
11.25 ERA - 4.0 IP
The difference here is the same with Eyanson and Shores. Jump had good stuff, Eyanson has good stuff.
What is Shores stuff outside of a very hittable 97-98mph fastball at this point every team is sitting on? His breaking ball he is rarely finding the strike zone with. Teams are clearly being told to lay off it and sit fastball all day.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 9:05 am
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:03 am to HvacGoon
no need for any drastic changes, 4-2 in conference, winnable home series this weekend. Keep working and things will fall into place. We had to come back down to earth at some point. This is nothing but another weekend in the SEC. If you start scrambling every time something doesn't go our way we will never have any team identity. You can go to every SEC teams pitching meetings this morning and the theme would be "Throw More Strikes".
Keep your head down and keep moving.
Keep your head down and keep moving.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:14 am to thunderbird1100
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What is Shores stuff outside of a very hittable 97-98mph fastball at this point every team is sitting on? His breaking ball he is rarely finding the strike zone with. Teams are clearly being told to lay off it and sit fastball all day.
I mean, yeah Shores is obviously going to have to improve all of that, It's not going to magically happen. He of course needs to locate his off-speed, which will in turn help his fastball. In those first 5 SEC series, Jump was having trouble finding the strike zone as well. His free pass count for each of those games is as follows: 5, 6, 2, 1, 4.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:32 am to LSBoosie
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then really struggle in his first 5 SEC series, then hit his stride. I believe Shores can do something similar.
Except you are still forgetting Shores only has one maybe 2 pitches he can get over the plate. He's not going to magically have a 3rd pitch in the middle of the season. He will only make it twice through an order if that with his arsenal or lack there of.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:34 am to LSBoosie
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Last year this is the ERA for each of Gage Jump's first 5 SEC games:
9.82 ERA - 3.2 IP
3.18 ERA - 5.2 IP
9.82 ERA - 3.2 IP
6.75 ERA - 5.1 IP
11.25 ERA - 4.0 IP
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Shores is further removed form his surgery today than Jump was a year ago. Jay limited Jump to a couple of innings in his first two outings I believe. He didn't struggle in pre-conference like Shores did against Sam Houston and to a lesser extent against North Alabama.
I would love nothing more than Shores to get where Jump was last year. But at this point, I don't see it. I hope you are right.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:40 am to WigSplitta22
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Except you are still forgetting Shores only has one maybe 2 pitches he can get over the plate. He's not going to magically have a 3rd pitch in the middle of the season. He will only make it twice through an order if that with his arsenal or lack there of.
I'm not saying he is going to become what Gage Jump became, but do I think he can become a Sunday starter that can go 5 innings and give up 2-3 runs? Sure. Don't forget how dominant he was his freshman year. It's not like he had some crazy 3 pitch mix back then.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:44 am to notbilly
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I would love nothing more than Shores to get where Jump was last year. But at this point, I don't see it. I hope you are right.
I don't think he will be, and he doesn't need to be. Gage Jump was the Saturday starter. We aren't asking Shores to be that. As a Sunday starter, we just need him to go 5ish innings and give up a limited amount of runs. We will rely on our offense to put up runs against opposing Sunday pitchers, which they should be able to do.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:48 am to LSBoosie
One day he'll show up at the park with that slider in his pocket again, we just have to hope that is soon because he ain't had it yet.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:49 am to LSBoosie
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I'm not saying he is going to become what Gage Jump became, but do I think he can become a Sunday starter that can go 5 innings and give up 2-3 runs? Sure. Don't forget how dominant he was his freshman year. It's not like he had some crazy 3 pitch mix back then.
He was not dominant in SEC play and early on nobody had much tape on the guy since he just burst onto the scene. He threw 18 innings
and had trouble with command then as well with 9 walks and 3 HB in 18 innings of work and a .230 oppo avg. He was still getting hit and walking guys and teams were figuring him out.
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