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re: Pinson OUT at Florida per Wade

Posted on 1/10/22 at 10:17 pm to
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/10/22 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

Your primary ball handler is the one who dribbles through pressure into halfcourt


No, your primary ball handler is the one that makes sure the ball advances into the half court. That could be through dribbling, or passing to other teammates.

If Eason is guarded full court by a big, he has enough enough handle to get the ball across. If he is trapped or guarded by a guard, he plays under control and makes good decisions with the ball in his hands.

What you both keep ignoring is the fact that Gaines does neither of those things.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 1/10/22 at 10:19 pm to
“simply insist on going back to the lie that I’m calling for Eason to dribble the ball 80 ft.”


Lol wow
My post: Eason is good when he puts the ball on the floor once or twice from 15-18 feet out, he’s not someone who can dribble through 90 feet of pressure all game long.


Your response: “Gaines hasn’t really shown this either. Would feel much more confident with Eason the primary ball handler in those situations”



Lol and you accuse me of lying
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29744 posts
Posted on 1/10/22 at 10:23 pm to
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Pinson has played 418 minutes, Gaines 386 total this season. They’re a minute or 2 apart per game. Per 40 minutes they’re 0.7 turnovers per game apart.

You’re stuck on minutes. I didn’t say that. When Gaines is playing in the game like he did for Murray at Auburn, Pinson was still the primary ball handler and not Gaines.
I want to know how many times Gaines has been the ball handler in those minutes as compared to Pinson. I bet Pinson has nearly TWICE the minutes with the ball in his hand versus Gaines. So NO they are comparable when you look at it in the times Gaines has been at the 2. That guy is a turn over machine
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 1/10/22 at 10:28 pm to
You “bet”? You’d be wrong, a lot of times Pinson is the 2 when they’re both on the floor together so you have no way to back that statement and you’re making up circumstances that don’t exist. But I guess when you can’t dispute the facts and still wanna push an invalid opinion this is the route you take.
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/10/22 at 10:33 pm to
Play a tall line up vs Florida. This could be Murray’s emerging moment as a great future Tiger of great.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 1/10/22 at 10:43 pm to
We average about 14 turnovers per game and Florida forces around 16 so unless we just fall apart handling the ball we should be ok. My concern is will Gaines and Murray have enough energy to perform the way we’re accustomed to seeing on defense while taking on the added minutes handling the ball. Also how will it effect our transition game and ability to score on run outs.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29744 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:01 pm to
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You “bet”? You’d be wrong, a lot of times Pinson is the 2 when they’re both on the floor together so you have no way to back that statement and you’re making up circumstances that don’t exist. But I guess when you can’t dispute the facts and still wanna push an invalid opinion this is the route you take.

Bull shite. I’ve watched every single game this year and see who has it in the half court at the top of the key when both are in the game. Get out of here with that bull shite. Just fricking take the Loss and shut the frick up.

His own ducking coach said “Gaines is the best player for BOTH teams on the court” in reference to his arse turning the ball over and turning others over. Dude you’re a fricking fool.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71588 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:08 pm to
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a lot of times Pinson is the 2 when they’re both on the floor together


Almost all the time Pinson and Gaines are on the floor together Gaines is the 2 spot, not 1 spot.

Kenpom tracks lineups and where guys play and over the last 5 games Pinson hasnt seen basically any time at the 2 spot. 71% of the game he's at PG; it's 28% for Gaines at PG spot and is 36% at the 2 spot. So he's playing more 2 than PG. That's exacerbated some with Murray missing 1 of the last 5 games, but does show the opposite of what you're saying. With Murray out even they turned to Gaines to fill the 2 spot leaving Pinson handling the point guard spot.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:15 pm to
How is that tracked? Is it simply based on lineup? Or is someone watching film? You can be a “1” per the lineup card and still be working off ball as a shooting guard.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71588 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:25 pm to
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How is that tracked? Is it simply based on lineup? Or is someone watching film? You can be a “1” per the lineup card and still be working off ball as a shooting guard.



I dont know how exactly it's tracked but clearly they have someone looking at it if it's dynamic enough to put guys playing in multiple spots.



The percentages are of total minutes in a game. So Pinson played 71% of the minutes the last 5 games at the PG spot.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 12:27 pm
Posted by LesnarF5
Member since Apr 2015
9586 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:28 pm to
Reid needs to have a big game against Florida!!!
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66944 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:41 pm to
So not only do you argue against the actual facts but then you make shite up and lie about Wade’s quote lol. Wade said he can be our best player or their best player but you conveniently left out half the quote to support your narrative.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:48 pm to
That’s not the opposite of what I’m saying. The argument was that their TO numbers are invalid because 100% of Gaines’ turnovers come when he is the lead guard while 0% of Pinson’s come when he’s off the ball which isn’t true. All I did was give the numbers on turnovers, Tiger1988 couldn’t handle that because he hates Gaines.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 2:10 pm
Posted by geauxfortwo
Livin the dream
Member since Jan 2018
2000 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

I wonder what about his specific injury made it so clearly painful but with such a quick recovery?


A bone bruise hurts like a mofo

But I think a lot of the pain was mental just because he thought he was done.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66944 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 4:45 pm to
It’s a 5 game sample, including a game where the lineup was altered due to an injury, it’s not accurate regarding the entire season.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29744 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 5:24 pm to
quote:

Wade said he can be our best player or their best player but you conveniently left out half the quote to support your narrative.
oh ok. NOW
frickING MORON. Did he say that about Pinson? ABSOLUTELY NOT. He said Pinson can handle the pressure and is savvy. If anything Pinson wasn’t aggressive enough for him.

I tell you what. Call Wade and ask him next week. OR take a poll on here and ask people who actually watch the games and sees Gaines OUT OF CONTROL week in and week out.
Johnny Jones Jr.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66944 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 5:47 pm to
Pinson is injured you retard, WTF does any of this have to do with him? The discussion was about how do we handle the ball with Pinson out but you’re so desperate to shite on a player and refuse to acknowledge reality that you’ve derailed the topic completely. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about, learn how to read dumbass.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 6:16 pm
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29744 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 5:06 pm to
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Pinson is injured you retard, WTF does any of this have to do with him? The discussion was about how do we handle the ball with Pinson out but you’re so desperate to shite on a player and refuse to acknowledge reality that you’ve derailed the topic completely. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about, learn how to read dumbass.

For fricks sake a-hole. This entire discussion was comparing Pinson to Gaines in their TO rations. You said they are about the same. I stated no they’re not because when they are on the court fricking Gaines isn’t the point JUST LIKE AT AUBURN. So I said, look at the number of minutes when they are actually handling the ball and who has turned it over more. I even gave you a freaking example on how Pinson is usually runnjng from the Top of the key in the 1/2 court set when LSU is running their 1/2 court offense.

As far as Pinson being out. It fricking doesn’t matter from one week to the next. We are talking about this ENTIRE frickING SEASON DUMBASS.

Gaines is a turnover machine as compared to Pinson and I don’t give 2 fricking shits what stats say because they don’t measure the minutes with the ball in your hand. Wade specifically designs his defense wi the Gaines and offense without him being the primary ball handler because of his propensity to TO.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66944 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 8:22 pm to
Yea was it you told me? “Take the L”, boy that didn’t age well lol. Choke on your crow you moron.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 8:23 pm
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