re: Peveto & Mallory will not be fired !!!

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The scheme itself is basically exactly what was run last year

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and it sucked last year.

See Ole Miss last year.

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it as the major problem we are having is just ignorant.

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No its clearly the problem. You don't beat a spread offense by dropping 7-8 and rushing 4 straight ahead while playing your corners off 10 yards.

OSU tried it in the BCSCG a few years ago and got demolished.

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The players are making a ton of mistakes and are slow to react

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The reacting is part of the problem with the scheme. We are playing a soft read and react scheme that doesn't work against high powered modern offenses.

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It was good enough to win the NC

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Trent Dilfer QBed a SB team. I guess that means NFL teams should be content with him.

Its this kind of mindset that is partially responsible for the situation we are in. Fans are completely unable to admit that there are problems with the program even when we are winning.

After the Auburn game people on here said the D was sucking. They got scorned because it was a win. After this Ms. St. game people said the same thing and got the same reaction.

Then whenever we lost UF people acted like the D sucking was news.

Its exactly the same last year. Do you honestly think our Defensive play against Ole Miss or Arky last year was acceptable?

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identifying the scheme as the major problem is just ignorant.

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No just the opposite in fact.

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This is also ignorant. Zone defense is essential to playing the agressive defense that most want.

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Failure. A number of successful attacking programs utilize a lot of man coverage.

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It would be suicide to play man all over the field on a large majority of plays.

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Not with the talent we have. Many teams have gone man and shut down spread offenses. In fact that is probably the best way to stop spread offenses.

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The reason our players seem slow to react is because they are poorly taught and poorly prepared.

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Again UF/OSU BCSCG=Read and React fail

I don't even think it goes that far. I hate to say it but the whole loyal BS attitude that LM has will keep Mallory and Peveto as Co-DCs. If he does make the decision to keep them, and we have another season like this one, that's his arse! I really got a bad feeling that he keeps them right where they are though. I hope I am wrong!

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After the Auburn game people on here said the D was sucking. They got scorned because it was a win. After this Ms. St. game people said the same thing and got the same reaction

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Yup, I was one of those people bitching about the play of our Defense...particularly the way that McCray was being utilized!!! It took the UF and UGA games this year, and all of last year for the coaches to realize that he DID NOT need to be covering RBs out of the backfield, or any WRs for that matter!!!!!! He has played much better in the last 3 games than he did in the first several games and last season. Everyone knew that McCray needed to be moved and that the coaches were just continuing to set him up to fail...everyone except the coaches themselves
However, I just got labeled as a NEGATIGER for criticizing the D and the coaches :banghead: what the hell else is the board for???

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Any scheme will work if you teach it well enough and the players tackle.

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That's it in a nutshell: The defense looks more and more clueless each week (coaching/preparation) and the tackling is B team HS quality (coaching/basics).

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Any scheme will work if you teach it well enough and the players tackle. While the scheme is not ideal vs. every team, the same one we have used the last 3 years has held Florida down to low points...so the scheme is not the problem with spread offenses.

The problem is the players are not being taught and prepared effectively enough to run the defense without breakdowns and hesitancy. It makes us look slow, confused, and causes breakdowns for big plays. That is what we are seeing out of this defense and those are the reasons.

What makes it worse is that all the terminology was kept in tact, so it comes down to pure teaching ability and planning ability. I supported the two DCs when they were appointed...someone has to start somewhere...but the experiment clearly has failed.

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I agree 100%.

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LSU's defense was ranked somewhere around #20 in 2007. Again, to identify the defensive scheme as our primary problem (which you have multipel times) is ignorant. We've got bigger issues.

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There is no bigger problem than a scheme and it is the problem. LSU's overall Defensive numbers cover up a disturbing trend when we played against spread offenses/mobile QBs. Especially at the end of the season who gashed our D because our scheme can't deal with them.

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I think the defensive play last year overall was much better than acceptable.

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Not what I asked. Answer the question.

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Zone is essential when playing a pressure defense.

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Again False. For instance the Eagles play an attacking man scheme.

For clarification I'm not saying zone=bad. I'm saying SOFT zone=bad.

If you go and bring pressure on a QB you can get away with playing zone. We don't, we aren't.

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Again, this is ignorant. You can't man up on every play and be successful.

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Did I ever say we should man up on every defensive play? I said we could play a lot of man with talent we have.

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Belichek is basically viewed as one of the best defensive minds in football. He plays a ton of zone defense.

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He also brings pressure on a QB. We don't. Our scheme is terribly designed.

We almost never blitz and if we do we fail to disguise the blitz. Our front 4 aren't designed to create pressure on a QB yet we don't compensate for this(Unless Alem is playing). Our LBs are never in position to cover the RB out of the backfield. Which is a problem dating back to UF last year and still hasn't been fixed.

Our zone forces CBs to play so far off the the ball that spread offenses giggle in delight. We continually fail to even attempt to create good matchups(Danny McCray one on one against Harvin? Sounds fine to me!)

I believe that is a combination of all of the above but it all falls back on the coaches (they are the ones getting paid).

BUT, the biggest dissapointment has been the DCs's inability to adjust at gametime. Ole Miss burning us in the flats all night, South Carolina with the Tight End Slant, TROY with the stop route toward the sideline. Notice that these are teams with average at best quarterbacks and one play killed us for most of the game. I think this is the thing that Pelini was best at, adjustment, and we just don't have it.

P.S. Our players are also taking plays off. Defense and Offense. The leadership and pride isn't the same as it was last year.

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They will be assigned back to position coaches. Which is fine by me at this point.

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Retaining Paveto in any capacity, and also expecting these 2 guys to give their all after demotion as they "support" some new head guy on defense, is not a smart move in any way shape or form.

Bad plan to retain Paveto. I suppose Mallory is a possibility, but he hasn't exactly been effective in choosing to play McCray effectively and appears to lack the ability to teach our DB's how to play disciplined assignment coverage. Plus all he knows is that terrible scheme he has been a part of, so why keep him?

We can do so much better. LSU is supposed to be one of the best defensive brands in the country, and Mallory and Paveto have made us a laughing stock. They both must go in my opinion, and anyone that has witnessed the 2008 season and disagrees has me quite confused.

A demotion won't work. Usually never does no matter what line of work you're in. Once demoted there is no incentive and usually causes problems with staff and others.

If they're not sending out resumes they ought to. I wish them well,it just didn't work and the players and fans paid the price on defense.