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re: Paul Mainieri media availability - Pre-P&G WS

Posted on 11/5/20 at 8:34 am to
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 11/5/20 at 8:34 am to
Could be a typo with Cade but they do sometimes move some players around during scrimmages depending on situations.

It's nice to see the newcomers hitting well because last year's position players did not hit well at all during fall and into spring.

Now you have those sophomores developing along with some of the freshmen that look a lot better offensively which will make for a better lineup overall.

Plus you can mix and match some of the weaker hitters for defense like Milazzo who is so valuable defensively.
Posted by Adam4848
LA
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Posted on 11/5/20 at 9:23 am to
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I find it interesting that some of our new recruits with less fanfare than the big names are producing well. Everyone knows about Morgan and Safford now but Milligan and Hellners with hits. Edwards was supposed to be a developmental pitcher and Brady wasn't highly ranked but they had 4 scoreless innings.


The freshmen class is really really good.

Hampton and Travinski won't see much time if they don't produce in spring practice.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/20 at 9:41 am to
Hampton can at least be used as a pinch runner
Watching him play safety I think his future needs to be baseball and with Gio possibly going pro if he does well enough he could be the CF next season
He's a five tool player, speed, power, arm strength from OF might be only lesser tool. You could see the projection if he focused on baseball full time.

Travinski will have to wait his turn (with his injury might as well use it as a redshirt developing year) because Milazzo and Wyeth will be the catchers this year
Milazzo is draft eligible as a soph due to age and moving the draft back
This post was edited on 11/5/20 at 9:58 am
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 11/5/20 at 10:53 am to
Looks like we're going to start recruiting taller players finally:

Mainieri having second neck surgery

quote:

"The positive is I’m getting taller," Mainieri said, laughing. "I might get all the way up to 5-foot-8 one of the days."
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 11/5/20 at 11:07 am to
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Edwards was supposed to be a developmental pitcher and Brady wasn't highly ranked but they had 4 scoreless innings.

You're also putting way too much stock into one scrimmage.

Not saying these young men won't turn out to be good/solid pitchers; but basing that off one scrimmage is not a wise idea.

For starters, they were pitching against the "non-starter" lineup of hitters. Second, it is not a shock for a pitcher to just find it on a particular day and get in a groove of locating pitches, especially when they are only pitching 2 innings and facing batters one time in the order.

Conversely, look at Labas. His stats have been stellar all fall, but had a bad outing last night, at least in the first inning anyway (threw 2 scoreless after). But it happens.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/20 at 12:02 pm to
I feel better that the starting lineup did well against Labas who I know can pitch

I'm sure with the large deficit he may have thrown certain pitchers that struggled with command and allowed a comeback on purpose

That's what fall is for, to see what new pitchers you can count on and have competition for lineup spots
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 11/5/20 at 12:05 pm to
I certainly can't disagree but I did find it interesting that Edwards got the start.
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
10273 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 12:11 pm to
When we signed Hampton my gut told me it would take a couple of years to be force for us. How do you compete with players that are baseball year round?

I did notice last year that Mainieri was really trying to get Hampton in the lineup and I heard about his work ethic and thought maybe he will compete sooner than I thought.

Now I'm thinking he might want to give some thought to where his future lies and devote himself to that.
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 12:48 pm to
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but I did find it interesting that Edwards got the start.


Out of curiosity, who on the Gold pitching staff did you expect to get starts over him?

And this isn't criticism or anything, genuinely curious. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a ton about the incoming pitchers; but when you look at the Gold staff, the only recognizable returning name is Aaron George. And the only one that maybe surprised me not to see in starting rotation is Blake Money.
This post was edited on 11/5/20 at 12:55 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 11/5/20 at 12:56 pm to
I was a little surprised to see Edwards and Hellmers in the rotation. Money and Millas are guys that I think have weekend starter potential.

I do think this speaks to the depth of the recruiting class. Though the fall still doesn't give a ton of indication on how some pitchers may be used/relied on in the spring.

Also, especially for pitchers, development isn't linear. Something could click for a guy like Money between now and the spring and he's ready to show out. It could be next summer that he breaks through.

One thing we've done is recruit a bunch of tall pitchers. And sometimes those guys take a little longer to get their mechanics down and find their control. Just because they have longer limbs to control.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
53577 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 1:03 pm to
Hampton got in the lineup last year because the rest of the lineup was so bad and no one was taking hold of starting jobs
He had nothing to lose to see what Hampton could do before he had to go back to football for spring practice which started that opening SEC weekend before shutdown
We don't know what would've happened but Hampton likely would have struggled against SEC pitching to begin with and the sec staffs were loaded last year
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 1:31 pm to
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I was a little surprised to see Edwards and Hellmers in the rotation. Money and Millas are guys that I think have weekend starter potential.


I don't know much about Edwards and Hellmers; but I do agree with you that I was surprised not to see Money, especially, in the Gold starting rotation.

But like you go on to say, development is at a different pace for everyone and I thought I had read something that said Money was still a bit inconsistent coming out of H.S.; so maybe he just hasn't found that consistency yet to be counted on as a starter. Hopefully he gets there.
Posted by Naptime
Member since Sep 2020
2226 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 1:34 pm to
Edwards and Floyd have been the most impressive of the freshmen pitchers. They are the ones that have shown the ability to throw more than one pitch for a strike.
Posted by deaux
Member since Oct 2018
20267 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 1:55 pm to
Why can’t we just get a box score. It’s so easy
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
10273 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 2:04 pm to
When you read Edwards profile it says he was a dual sport and he was looked at as someone that had a lot of developmental potential.

Mainieri raved about Coleman recently. Then you have Milas, Money, Rice.

I'm just surprised to see Edwards jump all those highly rated prospects.
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
19635 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 2:17 pm to
That's true and some of the reason's he wasn't more highly regarded in terms of the draft was being from a small school with extremely limited camp exposure. The kid has also grown 4" inches in the past two years...and might be one of the steals of this class.
Posted by ScubaTiger
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2003
4651 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 2:35 pm to
Money started and pitched 3 innings in the only scrimmage I saw this fall on October 17. His fast ball topped out at 92mph and he gave up 2 earned runs on 3 hits and 2 walks with 2 strike outs. I was not as impressed as I was expecting to be but, it was just one appearance.
Posted by epicpoe
Member since Jun 2017
121 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 3:11 pm to
this may be the most levelheaded and reasonable baseball take i’ve ever seen on this board lol
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
53577 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 3:14 pm to
Edwards has had a good fall

Money needs secondary pitches to be effective in SEC play
You will see a lot of Money in midweek games if they have those this year until he develops more

No telling what the pitching plans are for P/G World Series

He could have thrown Fontenot and the other teams gets nothing but saw they were struggling and threw some lesser pitchers - who knows without being out there.
Posted by pool playah
Metairie
Member since Sep 2003
758 posts
Posted on 11/5/20 at 3:24 pm to
What's the latest with Gavin Dugas?
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