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Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:55 pm to TigerCard
I'd like to see LSU schedule more top ten OOC opponents...
...the problem is that there just aren't that many to pick from.
...the problem is that there just aren't that many to pick from.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 3:59 pm to noonan
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wrong. you most likely replace that decent OOC road game (WVU, Washington) with that newly required SEC road game.
Most likely.
I've always thought the solution to this, would be to force every team to play at least one legitimate road (i.e., not neutral site) OOC game every year. It would force at least two decent OOCs for every team, due to having to schedule home-and-homes and teams generally not willing to do that with crap schools.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:16 pm to TigerCard
If SEC goes to a nine game conf schedule you can kiss NC games good bye.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:18 pm to tickfawtiger
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If an SEC team chooses to play 3 scub OCC games, they do so at their own peril...i.e. playoffs/expanded or not, are COMING and SOS WILL mean something !
Have you been following CFB the past 10 or so years?
Go see how many top 25/20/10/5 teams non-SEC teams are playing (regardless of strong OOC games) and compare that to the SOS of SEC teams.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:22 pm to Oyster
quote:....definitely lowers the odds.
If SEC goes to a nine game conf schedule you can kiss NC games good bye.
I don't see why this is so hard for some to understand. How anyone thinks that playing more SEC teams increases your chance of getting an invite to the big dance is beyond me.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:28 pm to tickfawtiger
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as a season ticket holder I want to attend more competitive games
Yep.
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the 9 game SEC schedule FORCES all SEC teams to do so
It doesn't. The big schools are not giving up a home game against a OOC patsy to keep a home and home series against a good OOC team.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:30 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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Have you been following CFB the past 10 or so years? Go see how many top 25/20/10/5 teams non-SEC teams are playing (regardless of strong OOC games) and compare that to the SOS of SEC teams.
Weak argument. Non SEC teams don't play nearly as many tough games as SEC teams do. Add another tough SEC game to an already tough SEC schedule and your potential adding a loss to every SEC team. It's gonna be damn near impossible to go undefeated unlike, big 10/12, PAC whatever and ACC teams. Only way to add a 9 game sch to SEC and keep us in the NC hunt, would be to let in a few more cup cake teams in the league.
At the same time I hate playing teams like Furman and the like.
This post was edited on 5/10/13 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:32 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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force every team to play at least one legitimate road (i.e., not neutral site) OOC game every year.
I like the idea, but how do you make that happen? You'd almost certainly have to add another game to the regular season, which I would be strongly against.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:34 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
There is ten of them... Well, nine because we can't play ourselves 
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:44 pm to clamdip
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wrong. you most likely replace that decent OOC road game (WVU, Washington) with that newly required SEC road game.
Not going to happen. Im sure an SEC team or two (coughMSUcough) might schedule 3 cupcakes OOC with 9 conference games, but the grand majority will still have 1 BCS OOC opponent even with 3 OOC slots. Many East teams are locked in already with rivals...Clemson/USC, UGA/GT, UF/FSU for instance.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:46 pm to MOT
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How do we know the extra conference game will come at the expense of a cupcake, and not the "good" OOC game that most all teams play?
I really dont believe people think the entire SEC would go full chickenshit and play 3 rent a wins OOC if we move to 9 conference games. Every other conference who has only 3 OOC games plays at least 1 BCS OOC (or top mid major) on average.
It's a poor excuse to give that any weight. Not only are marque OOC games great for college football, they are huge money endeavors many times too.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:54 pm to thunderbird1100
why would you want to lower the odds of the team you pull for to make it into the NC picture?
you do know that is what 9 game SEC schedule or tougher OOC games does, right?
just look at last year
1) if Oh St isn't ineligible or Oreg doesn't slip up, an SEC team does not even make it to the NC game. do you think either of the 3 teams ahead of bama played even close to the same SOS as bama did? if you say yes, then it's pointless to have the conversation.
2) if aTm stays in the Big 12 one more year, their team last year has a MUCH BETTER chance of going undefeated in the Big 12 & playing in the NC game against friggin Notre Dame. come to the SEC, lose 2 games, play in Cotton Bowl, skull frick the best Big 12 team.
why would you want to lower the odds of your favorite team to make it to the NC game?
you do know that is what 9 game SEC schedule or tougher OOC games does, right?
just look at last year
1) if Oh St isn't ineligible or Oreg doesn't slip up, an SEC team does not even make it to the NC game. do you think either of the 3 teams ahead of bama played even close to the same SOS as bama did? if you say yes, then it's pointless to have the conversation.
2) if aTm stays in the Big 12 one more year, their team last year has a MUCH BETTER chance of going undefeated in the Big 12 & playing in the NC game against friggin Notre Dame. come to the SEC, lose 2 games, play in Cotton Bowl, skull frick the best Big 12 team.
why would you want to lower the odds of your favorite team to make it to the NC game?
This post was edited on 5/10/13 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:05 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
There's a playoff starting, it's not going to be any tougher to get into that than any other team that also plays 9 conference games like the Big Ten, Big XII and PAC-12 considering there will be a selection committee.
I think it's chickenshit to cry about playing the same amount of conference games as every other big conference (Sans ACC) and we have more teams than anyone. This is about making schedules more even in the conference and making college football a better sport. There is no need to play 3 or 4 cupcakes OOC.
I think it's chickenshit to cry about playing the same amount of conference games as every other big conference (Sans ACC) and we have more teams than anyone. This is about making schedules more even in the conference and making college football a better sport. There is no need to play 3 or 4 cupcakes OOC.
This post was edited on 5/10/13 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:20 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:this is 100% false
it's not going to be any tougher to get into that than any other team that also plays 9 conference games like the Big Ten, Big XII and PAC-12 considering there will be a selection committee.
teams that have less losses in an inferior BCS conf will absolutely get the nod over an SEC team with more losses (whether it's for the 2 spot or 4th spot). which conf do you think will lead to the most losses? it's not brain surgery. (again, just look at what could have easily happened to bama just last year)
quote:you're entitled to your opinion, but the strength of the conferences are not the same (obviously)...therefore, the SOS of teams playing more conf games will be tougher in a better conf.
I think it's chickenshit to cry about playing the same amount of conference games as every other big conference
again, it's not hard to comprehend
if you just want to see LSU play against another tough team (at the risk of not getting invited to the playoff) b/c it's more entertaining, that's your right. But I think the vast majority of LSU fans would rather have better odds of playing in a NC game...and there's absolutely no doubt that playing a tougher sched lessens those odds.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:33 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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this is 100% false
no it isnt
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teams that have less losses in an inferior BCS conf will absolutely get the nod over an SEC team with more losses (whether it's for the 2 spot or 4th spot). which conf do you think will lead to the most losses? it's not brain surgery. (again, just look at what could have easily happened to bama just last year)
Not if the resume is better. Keep in mind we're talking about a playoff, not jsut 2 teams are going to a NCG by default 1-2 in BCS. 4 teams (for now) will be selected by a committee. The sEC will put a team in the playoffs every single year, 8 conference games or 9. Dont kid yourself.
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you're entitled to your opinion, but the strength of the conferences are not the same (obviously)...therefore, the SOS of teams playing more conf games will be tougher in a better conf.
And if we're the best conference we should nut up and do at least what every other big conference is doing and play 9 conference games. Playing scared is not the way to impress the selection committee. Go ahead and schedule 4 OOC patsies and see how they look up on that. 8 conference games simply isn't enough because with 14 teams it creates severe schedule disparites.
Look at Bama's schedule compared to ours. They play A&M, LSU and then shite. You're telling me with a schedule like theirs if they went 11-1 with a loss to either A&M or LSU the selection committee would look well on that? Hell no.
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if you just want to see LSU play against another tough team (at the risk of not getting invited to the playoff) b/c it's more entertaining, that's your right.
And that's what most people want, You're in the minority wanting to be scared of replacing a shite OOC team with an SEC team. There's been polls on this before and by far and away fans want an extra conference game.
Also, newsflash, not every SEC team is good. Half the SEC is not a Top 25 team. Not everyone will add Alabama or Florida. Some will get Vanderbilt, MSU, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc...While they arent going to be good teams (next season at least) it's still better than playing Southeastern West Texas A&T.
It HELPS SOS tremendously to add an extra conference game. If you dont believe it go look up SOS of teams before and after they added a 9th conference game. This is something the selection committee will pay very close attention to and you better believe the SEC teams with the weaker conference schedules will get heavily scrutinized if they dont play much of anything OOC and end up playing a couple good SEC teams and that's it.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:39 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:you're wrong on thinking this won't hurt LSU's odds of making it into the playoff (much less help their chances) & there are several scenarios to prove it
thunderbird1100
sorry you can't comprehend fairly simple statistics on this
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:41 pm to Oyster
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If SEC goes to nine game conf schedule you can kiss NC games goodbye
They said that when the SEC added the SEC championship game in 1992 too.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:41 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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you're wrong on thinking this won't hurt LSU's odds of making it into the playoff (much less help their chances) & there are several scenarios to prove it
You're wrong in thinking this is much different than the help/hurt scenario of having a CCG vs. not having one.
Having one can help or hurt you depending on winning or losing. Much like adding an extra conference game can certainly help you (SOS wise, in the selection committee's eyes), or hurt you, if you lose it.
I'd much rather keep with the flow of CFB than be stuck with age old thinking in an expired system.
8 conference games with 14 teams is ridiculously stupid.
This post was edited on 5/10/13 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:51 pm to bigpapamac
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They said that when the SEC added the SEC championship game in 1992 too.
Exactly, this is absolutely NO different.
In 1988, the SEC went from 6 conference games to 7 conference games. In 1992, with adding 2 new teams and going to 12 teams, the SEC added another conference game and the SECCG. So there were 8 conference games + a 9th essentially for the Top team in each division. Surely since we went from 6 to 7 to 8/9 games we've had less success in getting national titles, right??!?!?!?!
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