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Passing Game Coordinator

Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:05 am
Posted by WizardKhalifa
Member since Nov 2018
159 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:05 am
How is that everyone is melting over our passing game coordinator. Joe Brady left - What will we do!?!

4 weeks of “We don’t have a passing game coordinator!” “Why aren’t we hiring a passing game coordinator?” “Who should be our next passing game coordinator?!”

LSU hires former NFL Head Coach/Offensive coordinator Scott Linehan - “He’s not good enough” “His offenses are predictable”

PASSING GAME COORDINATOR is just a fancy title for an offensive analyst... it’s a title that LSU practically invented to give Brady a boosted title... google passing game coordinator and all you will see is LSU results... why? Because it’s not a relevant position and almost EVERY other football team - NFL and CFB - doesn’t have one.

How is it that after we had one for one season that Everyone in the rant now thinks this is the key to being a successful team and if we don’t have the brightest and youngest coach that everyone knows about -even though Joe Brady was an unknown coach until 6 months ago... hell not even a coach barely - all of a sudden it’s the most important role on the staff.

Relax guys, we are doing fine.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66662 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:06 am to
Our PGC designed our offense last year

People acted like it was important because it was.

Brady won the fricking Broyles award.
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
15821 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:06 am to
Most people freaking out about the SL hire don’t seem to understand what Passing Game Coordinator is and how’s it’s extremely different than being an offensive coordinator.

But that’s the rant for you!


SL is a good hire and will flourish as the PGC.
Posted by WizardKhalifa
Member since Nov 2018
159 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:08 am to
He’s a great hire and his experience will be valuable to the development of our guys... as PGC or guy breaking down film, doesn’t matter what his title/roll is. He is a wonderful addition to a solid staff
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:09 am to
quote:

Our PGC designed our offense last year


Joe Brady did not DESIGN anything. He brought over already designed concepts, and helped install/put tweaks in the system.

The system IS NOT going anywhere.
Posted by beantown
Nashville
Member since Sep 2015
3429 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:10 am to
You're right. It's not about who is in what title, it's just getting the right people on your staff in general. The only titles that really mean anything are OC/DC/HC, from there on, everyone else is just frosting.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110945 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:25 am to
quote:

Our PGC designed our offense last year

People acted like it was important because it was.

Brady won the fricking Broyles award.

This is all true, but people are acting like no team has ever or can ever win without the Broyles award winner as your PGC.

I'm not even sure if other teams even have a PGC, do all of them have one? if so, we sure as shite can't name them.

The position itself isn't nearly as important as we make it out to be.

Was it last season? Absolutely. Does it have to be going forward? Nope
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2788 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:30 am to
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PASSING GAME COORDINATOR is just a fancy title for an offensive analyst... it’s a title that LSU practically invented to give Brady a boosted title.

Well that's false. LSU was already using the title prior to Brady ever being hired. Sullivan first had the title. And its not like LSU made up the title out of thin air.

quote:

google passing game coordinator and all you will see is LSU results...

False again. Here are some others:
Brandon Streeter - Clemson PGC/QB Coach (well look there, even mighty Clemson uses a PGC)
Cortez Hankton - UGA PGC (and Georgia too...they must all be copying off LSU... )
Tee Martin - TN PGC
Jorge Munoz - Baylor PGC
Joe Jon Finley - Ole Miss PGC
Will Stein - UTSA PGC
Craig Stutzman - WSU PGC


Hell, the one we just hired held the title of PGC for the Dallas Cowboys at one point. So shall I keep going?

And to say it is not a relevant position is absurd. If it isn't relevant, then why the hell have it?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66662 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:34 am to
People just don’t have a ton of faith in E alone.

Because E alone didn’t instill a ton of faith.

If this was all as simple as installing a playbook, E could have done it just by watching film. Any coach worth his salt can watch an all 22 and diagram the play.

This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 9:35 am
Posted by WizardKhalifa
Member since Nov 2018
159 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:38 am to
Brandon Streeter given that title end of Dec 2019
Hankton Feb 2019 promoted to PGC
Tee Martin is Assistant HC and recently picked up PGC title
Jorge Munoz - again... new title new hire
Joe Jon Finley - same thing
Will Stein - Dec 2019
Stutzman - same thing


You see if you use actual facts, it’s easy to see this title everyone is melting about is a new trend and not imperative to success in football for over 100 years... I’m sure it will continue but the fact that every acts like the sky is falling because we don’t have a coach in a position we created on the staff 6 months ago is absurd
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 11:39 am
Posted by tigernation56
im the woods
Member since Feb 2013
4780 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:48 am to
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WizardKhalifa







Who are you Gandi
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2788 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

a position we created on the staff 6 months ago is absurd

Speaking of facts, I notice that you conveniently skipped over the part of my post where I pointed out that this is not a title or position LSU just created "6 months ago" or even one created specifically for Brady. It was first created when O moved Jerry Sullivan to an on-field coaching position 2 years ago.

But the point is that the position/title, in whatever way or form it is used, has been around football for longer than LSU started using it. It's not some creation we pulled out of thin air. Just like we weren't the first to develop the title of a "run game coordinator," because we have one of those too, and have had it since even before James Cregg.

Overall, I will agree with you on the point that sometimes these titles are thrown around or given out solely for the purpose of justifying a pay raise for a coach or to make them feel important in order to help keep them on staff without creating any actual change in job duties or description (e.g. run game coordinator titles). However, it is clear that O has a specific purpose and job description for what he expects from the PGC here at LSU. It's not a title that is just thrown about to make someone feel important or to give them a raise.
Posted by Tigerbythetale
Las Vegas
Member since Aug 2014
1458 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 2:51 pm to
Yeah passing is way overated as last year proves
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278505 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

The position itself isn't nearly as important as we make it out to be.

Was it last season? Absolutely. Does it have to be going forward? Nope


(PGC)Jerry Sullivan 2018 salary : $450k

(PGC)Joe Brady 2019 salary : $410k

(PGC)Scott Linehan 2020 salary: $800k

(“Offensive coor”) Steve Ensminger salary: $800k


I mean it’s pretty clear to see that the passing game coordinator position has been expanded based on what Brady did last year. So much so, that the 2020 hire has basically been brought on to be the defacto Offensive coordinator, just like Brady was last year.

Had Brady been retained, he was going to get an even bigger raise, too.

So while everyone continues to down play it, the PGC is currently tied as the 2nd highest paid coach on LSU’s staff.

This shows a lack of faith for Ensminger to outright develop an offense. And also shows that the most recent hire of PGC is much more important than you make it out to be.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278505 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

PASSING GAME COORDINATOR is just a fancy title for an offensive analyst...


LSU’s passing game coordinator is the 2nd highest paid coach on the staff with Steve Ensminger lol

You don’t know what you are talking about
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1276 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

it’s a title that LSU practically invented to give Brady a boosted title


2005 Todd Monken, WR Coach and Passing Game Coordinator at LSU (Les' first staff at LSU).

From 2006 LSU Football Media Guide

Todd Monken Wide Receivers/Passing Game Coordinator

Another first-year coach on the LSU staff ... Serves as the Tigers’ wide receivers coach and passing game coordinator... Came to LSU after a three-year stint on Les Miles’ staff at Oklahoma State ... Oversees one of the nation’s most-talented and deepest groups of wide receivers LINK
Posted by vjp819
South Sec. 414 / Alex Box Sec. 210
Member since Nov 2003
10882 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:20 pm to
quote:

PASSING GAME COORDINATOR is just a fancy title for an offensive analyst... it’s a title that LSU practically invented to give Brady a boosted title..


Scott Linehan was Passing Game Coordinator at Dallas in 2014.

This is from back in 2009.
Billy Gonzales has joined the LSU staff as wide receivers coach and passing game coordinator, after spending the past five years coaching receivers at Florida.

So the title of Passing Game Coordinator wasn't just invented last season by Coach O.
Posted by Danielsu21
Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
437 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:01 pm to
Coach E called the majority of the plays...brady brought the idea of the saints offense to the tigers..his big contribution though was the way he worked with the receivers on catching and route running. Coach E isnt just going to forget what we ran last year, there is a reason he was sleeping in the office 3-4 nights a week. Like sean payton said all the film on saints is available toLSU...its knowing what defense is throwing out there and what play to call which coach E did not brady.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66662 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

This is all true, but people are acting like no team has ever or can ever win without the Broyles award winner as your PGC.


People are acting like all E needed was a playbook,

He couldn’t watch saints film before 2018?
Posted by FootballGuru
louisiana
Member since Oct 2010
78 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:58 pm to
Brady called 20% of the plays E called 80% we will be just fine E has the whole playbook!
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