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re: Orgeron's trajectory since Ole Miss is super positive
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:52 am to BayouCowboy
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:52 am to BayouCowboy
Not very good with all that talent.. mediocre if you ask me....
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:24 pm to dukke v
For which years? The last few years the talent has fallen off, not close to the 2010-2012 teams, which is still on Miles but a separate issue
ETA: 2016 there was enough talent to make a run, save for QB which is why Miles is gone
ETA: 2016 there was enough talent to make a run, save for QB which is why Miles is gone
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:43 pm to H-Town Tiger
From 2012 on it's been mediocre imo....
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:47 pm to dukke v
2012 is a strange one, they lost 3 but all were close and to top 10 teams, 2 on the last play. For me it's not really underachieving but a combo of mistakes and bad decisions. Good enough to win it all.
Since then have been mediocre and there has been a noticeable drop in talent.
Since then have been mediocre and there has been a noticeable drop in talent.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:48 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
yea, but last 3+ years, with all that talent,
we had 4 players drafted off that 2014 team.
we had 5 players drafted off that 2015 team
6 different sec programs either equaled or surpassed the number of lsu players drafted in the NFL
you can't tout the talent and then dismiss the low number of players drafted in the nfl in 2 of those years
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:
For which years? The last few years the talent has fallen off, not close to the 2010-2012 teams, which is still on Miles but a separate issue ETA: 2016 there was enough talent to make a run, save for QB which is why Miles is gone
For reference I went back and looked up the composite recruiting rankings. I went to 2009 since those would be seniors on the 2012 team.
2009: Rank 1
2010: Rank 9
2011: Rank 8
2012: 247 has an error for that year: ESPN: 14; Rivals: 18
2013: Rank 6
2014: Rank 2
2015: Rank 5
2016: Rank 2
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:54 pm to dukke v
quote:
Not very good with all that talent.
was it 2014 when we had 4 players drafted?
was it 2015 when we had 5 players drafted
it's like you just refuse to look shite it up.
in 2014 we all of 1 ALL SEC PLAYER. so much talent.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Why didn't we have great talent on those teams?
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:02 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
we had 4 players drafted off that 2014 team.
we had 5 players drafted off that 2015 team
and 8 drafted off the '16 team. And 3 of those 8 (Fournette, Adams, White) were first round picks, and they all started from day 1 at LSU from 2014-16.
You can't just look at one year, it's a rolling number.
For example, that 2014 team had 17 (!!) players drafted: 4 from the '14 team, 5 from the '15 team (they had to be at least sophomores on the 2014 team given the NFL's 3-year from high school rule), and the '14 team also had the 8 drafted this year from the '16 team (they would've been freshmen).
17 future NFL draftees on that 2014 team that went 4-4 in the SEC, 2-4 against the West.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:09 pm to atltiger6487
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With NFL talent all over our roster.
that's not true. I've proven this to be bullshite multiple times and you keep regurgitating this tired and false myth
2014 nfl talent 2015 draft
4 players drafted
7 sec programs had more players selected in the NFL draft
we had 1 ALL SEC 1st team player
2015 lsu football team nfl talent (2016 draft]
5 players drafted in the NFL
(bama has as many players drafted in the 2nd rd alone as lsu's entore draft class)
5 sec programs had as many or more draft picks as lsu
we had all of 1 all sec 1 team player
so stop with this nfl talent all over the field.
just attribute the drop in talent to miles
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:10 pm to atltiger6487
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and 8 drafted off the '16 team. And 3 of those 8 (Fournette, Adams, White) were first round picks, and they all started from day 1 at LSU from 2014-16.
You can't just look at one year, it's a rolling number.
For example, that 2014 team had 17 (!!) players drafted: 4 from the '14 team, 5 from the '15 team (they had to be at least sophomores on the 2014 team given the NFL's 3-year from high school rule), and the '14 team also had the 8 drafted this year from the '16 team (they would've been freshmen).
17 future NFL draftees on that 2014 team that went 4-4 in the SEC, 2-4 against the West.
holy shite.
you're counting true freshman as nfl players?
wow
the 2001 team had around 20 future nfl players and lost 3 games. I guess Saban is shite
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
holy shite.
you're counting true freshman as nfl players?
wow
Read my last line, Rick: "17 future NFL draftees." That is simply a fact, and I know how you love facts. That usually, but not always, means that have a ton of talent.
Freshman can, and do, play and contribute heavily - LF, Adams, and White were all starters as freshmen from day 1.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:16 pm to atltiger6487
2001 lsu nfl talent
rohan
reed
Clayton
spears
lavalais
toefield
Henderson
addai
Allen
Clark
Daniels
faulk
James
gay
green
hill
Jones
Kuala
mauck
Peterman
Wilkerson
Webster
Turner
THAT UNDERACHIEVING SABAN.
LOSING 4,3, & 5 GAME'S WITH NFL TALENT ALL OVER THE FIELD.
do I need to list our 2004 roster that lost 3 games or will you just admit that we didn't have nfl talent all over the field in 2014 & 2015.
rohan
reed
Clayton
spears
lavalais
toefield
Henderson
addai
Allen
Clark
Daniels
faulk
James
gay
green
hill
Jones
Kuala
mauck
Peterman
Wilkerson
Webster
Turner
THAT UNDERACHIEVING SABAN.
LOSING 4,3, & 5 GAME'S WITH NFL TALENT ALL OVER THE FIELD.
do I need to list our 2004 roster that lost 3 games or will you just admit that we didn't have nfl talent all over the field in 2014 & 2015.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
the 2001 team had around 20 future nfl players and lost 3 games. I guess Saban is shite
I've never compared Miles to Saban. Others on this board do, but I look at Miles on his own.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:19 pm to atltiger6487
LF and White weren't starters from day 1.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:20 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
I've never compared Miles to Saban. Others on this board do, but I look at Miles on his own.
but if miles was underachieving WITH ALL THAT NFL TALENT then so was Saban. that's my point. do you see all that FUTURE nfl talent on that 2001 roster?
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:21 pm to baseballcatch77
quote:
LF and White weren't starters from day 1.
exactly.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:24 pm to Elleshoe
quote:
Why didn't we have great talent on those teams?
our recruiting dipped a bit we missed out on some beasts in the trenches and we got hit by draft eligible juniors like no other program.
the loss in talent is squarely on miles but postees acting like we were this really talented team in 2014 and 2015 either are biased or don't know what they are seeing when watching a football game.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:26 pm to baseballcatch77
quote:
LF and White weren't starters from day 1.
it was my recollection that they were. My bad. Please change "starters from day 1" to "played a whole fricking lot."
Jeez, Fournette had a 1000 yard year in 2014.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
do I need to list our 2004 roster that lost 3 games
no they(players) lost two arguably including the auburn screw job, saban lost that bowl game and you know why preventing them from winning 10 in an only 11 game regular season. they only played 12 total. they were not guaranteed 13 games like during les' tenure. everybody here seems to have lost sight of that fact. You only got 13 games IF you made it to atlanta back then.
also, saban was only in his 2nd year in 2001 regardless of who eventually made it to the NFL. he was still building our program. he did not take over a ferrari as did les. If anybody thinks saban would not have eclipsed les had he stayed they are kookoo for cocoa puffs.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 1:29 pm
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