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Orgeron's record at Ole Miss is irrelevant
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:25 am
I am not comparing O to either of these guys but Belichick and Carroll were failures in their first head coaching gigs. They both have pretty good resumes now.
Orgeron can recruit. (Miles only saving grace)
He can motivate.
He did well with the hand he was dealt: a demoralized team with a crappy offensive scheme, going nowhere.
If can organize, allow outstanding coordinators to do their job, he will do fine. That is the recipe that Dabo has used at Clemson. Dabo is no Saban or Meyer. He's hired good coordinators, let them do their job and he has recruited well.
Orgeron can recruit. (Miles only saving grace)
He can motivate.
He did well with the hand he was dealt: a demoralized team with a crappy offensive scheme, going nowhere.
If can organize, allow outstanding coordinators to do their job, he will do fine. That is the recipe that Dabo has used at Clemson. Dabo is no Saban or Meyer. He's hired good coordinators, let them do their job and he has recruited well.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:27 am to JohnnyU
If he can fix our run defense, I think he can win a few games.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:27 am to JohnnyU
I didn't look at his stint at Ole Miss. He recruited well so what was his major problem?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:28 am to JohnnyU
Oh Jesus, I wish the board were programmed to automatically delete any post deploying the Carroll/Belichick "analogy."
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 10:29 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:28 am to JohnnyU
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not comparing O to either of these guys but Belichick and Carroll were failures in their first head coaching gigs. They both have pretty good resumes now.
Exceptions don't disprove the rule
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:29 am to Chrome
The fact that he has won more Sec games as the LSU coach than he did in three years at Ole Miss.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:29 am to JohnnyU
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Orgeron's record at Ole Miss is irrelevant
nope
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:30 am to JohnnyU
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Belichick and Carroll were failures in their first head coaching gigs.
O is 55 years old and getting older every day.
He'd better get his big arse in gear if he wants to catch up.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:33 am to JohnnyU
Just look at Miles success running a Stone Age offense that absolutely never ever changed. Every team just ran the same defensive game plan against us.
I just can't see how Coach O can't do better. Most any decent OC will be a vast improvement over what we had. O just has to keep the recruiting at a high level.
I just can't see how Coach O can't do better. Most any decent OC will be a vast improvement over what we had. O just has to keep the recruiting at a high level.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:37 am to ShortyRob
O had a bad run a decade ago at one of the hardest schools in the SEC to have a winning record. No coach has had lengthy success at Ole Miss in the past decade or two.
I still want to know who the O bashers wanted...because Jimbo was never coming and Herman got a better offer. So, who?
I still want to know who the O bashers wanted...because Jimbo was never coming and Herman got a better offer. So, who?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:40 am to JohnnyU
To be fair, those were two NFL teams with crappy all-time records (the Browns and the Jets). And Carroll was promoted from within and was only with the Jets for one year before being fired.
Ole Miss was only two years removed from just getting beat out for the SEC title game by LSU on their 2003 NC run. He recruited well, but couldn't coach his talent. So I wouldn't say it's irrelevant.
However, it was a long time ago and LSU has more talent than Ole Miss. He says he has learned to delegate now and let coaches do their jobs. We have to hope that he knows when to step in though and push the right buttons when he needs to.
Ole Miss was only two years removed from just getting beat out for the SEC title game by LSU on their 2003 NC run. He recruited well, but couldn't coach his talent. So I wouldn't say it's irrelevant.
However, it was a long time ago and LSU has more talent than Ole Miss. He says he has learned to delegate now and let coaches do their jobs. We have to hope that he knows when to step in though and push the right buttons when he needs to.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:41 am to Chrome
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I didn't look at his stint at Ole Miss. He recruited well so what was his major problem?
O has admitted that his biggest problem there was that he meddled with things that he wasn't an expert on, namely the offense, instead of just letting his coaches coach. I honestly believe that he has learned his lesson, as evidenced by his record in his 2 stints as interim coach.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:41 am to JohnnyU
Nothing in the past matters anymore. Coach O is our coach, now just win Baby!
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:41 am to JohnnyU
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I am not comparing O to either of these guys
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Belichick and Carroll were failures in their first head coaching gigs
I don't know about you boys, but that looks like a frickin' comparison to me.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:44 am to TigerGA
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O had a bad run a decade ago at one of the hardest schools in the SEC to have a winning record. No coach has had lengthy success at Ole Miss in the past decade or two.
He had like the worst 3 year stint in Ole Miss history (or close to it). The coach directly before him and behind him had winning records.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:45 am to saint amant steve
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I don't know about you boys, but that looks like a frickin' comparison to me.
You're a fricking child!
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:46 am to saint amant steve
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I honestly believe that he has learned his lesson, as evidenced by his record in his 2 stints as interim coach.
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The fact that he has won more Sec games as the LSU coach than he did in three years at Ole Miss.
He was 11-4 in just under two seasons as interim coach at USC and LSU--two of the most talent-laden programs in the country. Frankly, any competent coach on staff at the time could have accomplished the same.
I really do hope Coach O is successful, but if he wasn't a home boy from da Bayou we wouldn't even be having this discussion and we'd have another coach.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:47 am to JohnnyU
Miles' biggest problem was that he couldn't change and adapt. O has acknowledged specifically what he did wrong at Ole Miss and made effective corrections to how he coaches. He is in no way the same guy he was at Ole Miss. He's also been on staff with a few championship coaches. He's seen what works, what doesn't work and proved to the administration that he has the plan to get us where we need to be.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:53 am to BayouBengals327
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Miles' biggest problem was that he couldn't change and adapt. O has acknowledged specifically what he did wrong at Ole Miss and made effective corrections to how he coaches. He is in no way the same guy he was at Ole Miss. He's also been on staff with a few championship coaches. He's seen what works, what doesn't work and proved to the administration that he has the plan to get us where we need to be.
As I said before, I REALLY hope you're right. But as much as I love O it's hard for me to accept that Alleva and a program like LSU can hire a coach based on how he WILL do things and how he's learned and changed without a real track record of being a winning head coach.
That being said, Geaux Eaux! (I'm gonna get real tired of seeing that one!
)Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:55 am to JohnnyU
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