re: Orgeron gets ZERO blame for current OL and QB situation

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tigerskin

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5 Offensive linemen left under his watch.

2 QBs transfered under his watch

A 5-star WR who was unsure of getting drafted in the higher rounds left for the NFL early.

5-star all American defensive lineman was out of the program for at least 6 months and returned with absolutely no desire to play with the level of intensity he used to. This happened under his watch.

Defensive line is as thin as it has ever been. To add to that a defensive lineman is indefinitely suspended for reasons that seem very suspicious as best.

O is RUNNING OUT Miles' recruits who are starters so that he can make place of his own true freshmen. THAT is why we have a rebuild issue.

But you know, O is a home grown baw and talks and acts just like us, so what the hell do we care. He is our guy.

Some of the same players are still on this oline. Some transferred because our big time recruiting coach couldn't keep them here...

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Wait, you think the OL played worse after Miles was fired last year than before he was fired?

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I didn't mean that literally. Last year's unit was essentially still Miles' unit.

The drop off in performance since then (I believe) is due in part because this group hasn't been coached up to the standard that we've been accustomed to with Miles as HC.

There are some youth issues on the line but we've experienced that before under Miles.

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I think Dave Aranda is a proven top-notch defensive coordinator.

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Agreed

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I think Matt Canada can develop talent and quarterbacks to make a very potent offense.

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He has before

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I believe that O is one of the best Recruiters in the country and has great knowledge of defensive line.

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He's a great DL coach. He's not a great recruiter when he doesn't have a head coach closing for him. Sorry. And if he's such a DL wizz why do we have old man Jenkins taking up a coaching spot and no special teams coach? It must be nice to be able to shite on our kickers knowing you didn't hire a coach for them. It's a clear microcosm of just how in over his head Orgeron is.

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You put that all together with the talent in Louisiana and the talent that the program can attract and you got yourself another Powerhouse.

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Can we stop with the "LSU recruits itself" bullshite? We need a proven coach with an actual vision for the program and its players for it to "recruit itself".

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ou piss and moan and say that the players suck the coaches suck well guess what you going to get you going to get a program that f****** sucks.

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I've never said the players suck. Quite the opposite. We have ample talent to be 6-0 right now. They just lack leadership from the top and it shows to anyone who's ever watched football and had a vague understanding of how it works. And no... my "pissing and moaning" doesn't make the program "f****** suck". Having a shite coach with no actual philosophy, identity and long-term vision for the program is what makes a program suck. We essentially hired the guy to stand on the sideline and let whoever his coaches are coach. Our identity will change every 2-3 years with whoever the coordinators are. Do you think that is a sustainable model?

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Do some research and see where they were ranked. Obviously you didn’t.

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Oh, I'm quite informed that the PFF ranked us #1 in all of the land. We were bestowed with this high honor and it sits in the trophy case right next to all of your honorable mention ribbons and momma's kisses to your forehead.

Our line got their shite pushed in multiple times last year. One NFL guy on that line!! Maybe Maea will play some if he can bring his older brother with him.

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You are conveniently forgetting the Olineman that transferred out this offseason. For them to let highly rated potential starters leave is on O.

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I can't really agree. That kind of fallout can happen when a coach is replaced. And, you can't just blame the incoming coach for that.

Maybe they loved Miles and that's why they were here. You can't blame Orgeron for Miles being fired. If you've got info that Orgeron was rubbing them the wrong way and effectively contributed to them leaving then your position might make sense. I haven't really heard that. The only speculation I've heard is that Grimes is the issue and that Orgeron should not have kept Grimes. But, again, keeping Grimes doesn't differentiate Orgeron from Miles. Grimes may have been kept because he realized he needed to land a solid OL class last year.

We don't have the talent to be 6-0. Where football is played we are depleted. This fall started back in 2012 and is now really showing itself.

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I think Dave Aranda is a proven top-notch defensive coordinator. I think Matt Canada can develop talent and quarterbacks to make a very potent offense. I believe that O is one of the best Recruiters in the country and has great knowledge of defensive line. You put that all together

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...and you have a system that is untenable because you'll never keep coordinators on staff that are really good (because they move up) and since your coach is relying almost entirely on two separate coordinators to set the tone for both sides of the ball, you're always in flux.

None of this ever made any sense, which is why no one else in the history of organized football did this before.

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All being run off by this fan base.

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Whatever you say, chump. Blame random people on a message board instead of the guy running the fricking program if it makes you feel better.

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I would like to know what great coach LSU is going to be able to attract with this atmosphere? Because the two big fish said f*** no last year.

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There are quite literally DOZENS of coaches with a better track record than O that we could have gotten. Would it be a guaranteed slam dunk hire? No, it basically never is. But anyone who can google "Ed Orgeron" knows it was a lazy, dogshit hire and he was supremely unqualified.

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You going to end up floundering like Tennessee

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What would you call what LSU is doing right now? Oh well, at least we're floundering with a guy who knows what sauce piquante is.

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Yes, we knew we would be a little thin up front. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think people are using it to validate losing by 30 to a bad state team and losing to frickING TROY.

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Validate it? The OL play was absolutely a strong contributing factor in both of those games. You don't disagree with that do you?

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We didn't lose so much that we should be this bad

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We lost our best lineman (Pocic) and a legit SEC starter (Teuhema). We moved our next best (Clapp) to center.

That's a downgrade at 3 positions IMO.

One of the returning starters was Malone who has always a liability. Weathersby has been average at best.

That's significant. In an offseason like that, you're hoping to get a couple of new contributers take a couple of steps forward and fill the gaps. But, our pool of players to step up is very, very young and shallow.

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can feel the ground shaking in Baton Rouge from people continually moving the goal posts.

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Do you really think the OL is not a major problem? It's like you want to ignore it to make a point about Orgeron. I can make an argument against Orgeron as head coach without having to pretend that our personnel at OL is good enough.