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re: Orgeron fabricating scrimmage stats?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:03 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:03 pm to SammyTiger
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SammyTiger
Yes, you go out of your way to be negative. You really need to calm down.
Let's say a miracle happens and O beats Mark Richt. That means Miami needs to immediately fire Richt, right?
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:03 pm to SammyTiger
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What game makes you think E will outcoach any elite defense?
He's far more respected in coaching circles than you give him credit for.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
sullivan is very respected, but he was an NFL WR coach for like 30 years and an OC for one of them.
Respect doesn’t = results. Tubberville said he would have been a great OC for Saban, but he also 1. Didn’t hire him to be his OC to start a season and 2. Demoted him from QB coach to TE coach.
Realistically he’s a huge question mark, and he didn’t do anything vs the 2 best defenses he saw in 2016.
Respect doesn’t = results. Tubberville said he would have been a great OC for Saban, but he also 1. Didn’t hire him to be his OC to start a season and 2. Demoted him from QB coach to TE coach.
Realistically he’s a huge question mark, and he didn’t do anything vs the 2 best defenses he saw in 2016.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:06 pm to SammyTiger
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What game makes you think E will outcoach any elite defense?
Do you have any actual evidence of this?
What’s your opinion on E and what are you basing that opinion on?
IMO, these are all fair questions in this particular discussion.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:07 pm to WhoDatTiger
I was at the scrimmage, what he says is fact. The def. just kills our off.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's far more respected in coaching circles than you give him credit for.
This is nice but it doesn't mean he will be a successful offensive coordinator. While I'd say he did a solid job calling plays in 2016 id also say there is more evidence to indicate he is not a good OC than there is the contrary. There's even less evidence that is capable of developing a QB at the college level. Maybe he's just been biding his time for 20 years for the right opportunity for redemption and this is it. We will see in short order.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:14 pm to Skillet
I dont Think it’s out of my way especially in a thread asking if O is lying about how bad our offense has looked in scrimmages.
It’s very much on the way.
It’s very much on the way.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:18 pm to lsu2006
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but it doesn't mean he will be a successful offensive coordinator.
I'm not sure where you think he's being guaranteed anything. He's done nothing to move me one way or another, but Canada was terrible.
All the tools are in place, the expectation should be for an improved offense.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:19 pm to SammyTiger
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Respect doesn’t = results
No, but people who know more than you or I think highly of him.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
But haven’t hired him to be their OC.
Can you point to anything else?
If not that’s fine, but don’t pretend like you’ve done a lot of analysis.
Can you point to anything else?
If not that’s fine, but don’t pretend like you’ve done a lot of analysis.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:28 pm to SammyTiger
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But haven’t hired him to be their OC.
Miles tried, Ensminger didn't want to be OC at that time..
You'll see him as you want to see him until the season starts. I give him a better chance of success than you based on talent alone.
Regardless of what you think he will either succeed or not. Your preseason panic just doesn't fit the current situation quite yet.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:31 pm to SammyTiger
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I never Get a reasonable answer,
I’m not sure you are looking for one tbh.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Miles tried, Ensminger didn't want to be OC at that time..
Because Kragthorpe go diagnosed with Parkinson’s and he was looking for an OC on staff. We ended up having to go with Studrawa.
He’s like O, a guy on your staff you turn to when you need someone to fill in, but no one hires outright.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:41 pm to OceanMan
Idk
I’m bored and if someone is going to call me out for being unreasonably negative I am Going to ask the reasons they’re positive.
If it’s hope and pray that’s fine.
I’ve been that fan before.
I’m bored and if someone is going to call me out for being unreasonably negative I am Going to ask the reasons they’re positive.
If it’s hope and pray that’s fine.
I’ve been that fan before.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's far more respected in coaching circles than you give him credit for
I think he gets respect as a guy that can recruit, a guy that can motivate his players. I don't think he's respected for his coaching acumen.
EDIT, you're speaking about Ensminger, never mind. In that case, I haven't really heard many speak about him at all so I don't know how respected he is.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:56 pm to Goldrush25
I think his coaching acumen is fine.
There is just a difference between being an old respected vet, who knows a lot and has seen a lot, and creating and running a modern offense.
There is just a difference between being an old respected vet, who knows a lot and has seen a lot, and creating and running a modern offense.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:57 pm to WhoDatTiger
Who cares. Scrimmages are tailored to what the coaches want to see and is situational.
By this time the last ten years we were supposed to have Heisman winning QB's in Jordan Jefferson, Anthony Jennings, and Brandon Harris from all the "coach talk" about them.
By this time the last ten years we were supposed to have Heisman winning QB's in Jordan Jefferson, Anthony Jennings, and Brandon Harris from all the "coach talk" about them.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:01 pm to Tigercoop40
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Who cares. Scrimmages are tailored to what the coaches want to see and is situational.
The posters who were there said it was a live game simulation.
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By this time the last ten years we were supposed to have Heisman winning QB's in Jordan Jefferson, Anthony Jennings, and Brandon Harris from all the "coach talk" about them.
Ok, so do you think O is lying about us being bad?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:15 pm to WhoDatTiger
"scrimmage" - you can walk out on the field and say 'do over'. Wouldn't even know the purpose...
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:28 pm to WhoDatTiger
If he’s fabricating offensive stats, then our defense is even better than he wants people to think. And on the flip side, the offense is worse than people think. Because I don’t know how many of y’all know anything at all about football, but if those offensive numbers are inflated, he’s making up numbers that aren’t good to make terrible numbers sound like mediocre numbers.
That being said, I don’t know how he runs his scrimmages. I doubt they try to just go up and down the field, I imagine it’s situational to put the offense in inopportune situations to see how they manage and vice versa for the defense. So they may actually be really good numbers. I don’t know. And neither do any of you. Scrimmage numbers have never mattered in the past and that’s not going to change this year.
That being said, I don’t know how he runs his scrimmages. I doubt they try to just go up and down the field, I imagine it’s situational to put the offense in inopportune situations to see how they manage and vice versa for the defense. So they may actually be really good numbers. I don’t know. And neither do any of you. Scrimmage numbers have never mattered in the past and that’s not going to change this year.
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