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re: Orgeron deserves a raise and an extension, but proceed with caution

Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:37 pm to
Still not seeing how he "deserves" anything after only 2 seasons out of a 5 year contract (?) and no one coming for him. This upcoming season seemed like the perfect chance for him to earn it, but I guess that's just me.

Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:42 pm to
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Who else should we blame?
i didn't say that o had NO complicity in the bama losses, because he certainly does. i was responding to complaints that lsu didn't win or score any points, which only has some validity but it's certainly not a reason to deny that he's doing a good job overall.

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Utter and complete domination
you can't deny that the bama team that played lsu was the same team that played clemson. two totally different tide teams. the clemson version was positively unrecognizable. completely out of character. again, that part of the equation is not o's fault. i think there are things he could have and should have done better but, lsu still would have lost.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:43 pm to
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If you're going to use this line of thinking, who do you fault for LSU not playing their best game of the year vs Bama?
why do you people keep using an excluded middle? i'm not saying o is not at fault at all. i'm saying that the point differential has three components to it, one that o is responsible for, the other 2 he is not. stop acting like o sucks because he can't account for all three. it's stupid
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:44 pm to
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You're an idiot
tell me what i said moron
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:45 pm to
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Beating Bama is one of the 3 most important things for our new coach

Win championships
Beat Alabama
Fix the Offense

In that order
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:46 pm to
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of our nine Power 5 opponents, guess how many we beat that finished with a winning conference record?

One.

And two that we lost to (excluding Bama) each had 3 conference losses.
and where did lsu's s.o.s. end up nationally?

you people will twist into pretzels to deny something obvious. it's amazing really
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104113 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:46 pm to
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stop acting like o sucks because he can't account for all three.

These are your words, not mine. I never even hinted that O sucks.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:47 pm to
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it is pretty clearly the most important game on the schedule every year at this point.
this is only true to fans

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Bama is the gold standard in the SEC
misleading and i addressed this in a prior post
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:49 pm to
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It's going to take a while to close the gap
i don't think this is true and it's a reason why i think o should get legitimized criticism. his approach to the bama game is the same as miles' - do what we do best. well guess what? bama's already prepared to stop that and has the capability of doing so.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:53 pm to
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How come less talented programs like auburn dont have a problem beating bama on a semi regular basis?
this is a valid criticism of o. auburn has such a diverse offense that they can execute some things bama has not prepared for. lsu has yet to do that since the 9-6 game. that's on the coaches. lsu's lines haven't been up to the task. that's on the coaches.

however, to say o sucks because of one game against a team that is dominating EVERYONE is just ridiculous
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:56 pm to
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But keep pretending like he is actually holding O accountable for anything.


That's literally all you care about



This
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:57 pm to
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These are your words, not mine
the complaint was that o shouldn't get an extension because he didn't score against bama. i pointed out how stupid that was. then you asked who is to blame. well i already explained that.

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I never even hinted that O sucks
then why did you ask who is to blame? the answer is in my explanation
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30464 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:59 pm to
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you people will twist into pretzels to deny something obvious. it's amazing really

Says the poster who has repeatedly said LSU was 11-2 last season.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:59 pm to
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you, were caught lying multiple times




Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104113 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 4:04 pm to
You said this...
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it's not o's fault that bama plays their best game of the year against lsu every year

So, if that's gonna be one of your reasons that LSU can't score on Bama or beat them, then it's only fair to ask why LSU isn't playing their best game vs Bama. Why aren't playing their best and most energetic game? Why isn't there an expanded playbook on offense?
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the complaint was that o shouldn't get an extension because he didn't score against bama. i pointed out how stupid that was.

I agree 100% with this part.




Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 4:35 pm to


Facts and shite.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 4:45 pm to
Considering that your nickname is lying ricky I'd say it's the pot calling the kettle black.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29625 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 4:47 pm to
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and where did lsu's s.o.s. end up nationally?

same as 2015 ironically enough. With basically the same won-loss record.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 5:03 pm to
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and where did lsu's s.o.s. end up nationally?
same as 2015 ironically enough. With basically the same won-loss record



It's time to clean house. Top to bottom. Fire everybody.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29625 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 5:11 pm to
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It's time to clean house. Top to bottom. Fire everybody.

I didn’t say that. I simply stated what the sOS was as a comparison.
He doesn’t deserve nor is entitled to discuss a contract extension until after next season. If he doesn’t perform against Texas A&M and Florida and get shut out by Bama again then it’s time to cut bait.
He is having trouble getting defensive line recruits. That should be an alarm.
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