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Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by deaux
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:19 pm to
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CBSSports.com writer Tom Fornelli.
it’s weird that his list doesn’t include the 7 SEC teams who’s starting QBs had worst drop rates than LSU’s last season
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:20 pm to
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has more to do with bad WR coaching hires


I think it had more to do with a new QB thrown into the mix at the last minute.

Drops were less frequent toward seasons end
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:21 pm to
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It's been linked before. I forgot where from, but BJ has a valid point on the drops and how they can be drive killers. IMO, it has more to do with bad WR coaching hires than reps on jugs machines. Let's hope that Joe Brady can rectify the situation.
Every HOF WR I'm aware of is a "rep freak". Yes, a good WR coach can improve things in other areas, but reps are king in catching the ball.

Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108518 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:24 pm to
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LSU hasn't had an elite route runner since Beckham and Landry. That's on coaching.

I don't care if you put in 10,000 reps a day on a jugs machine, if you can't get separation it's more difficult to complete passes.

Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:27 pm to
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quote:


I think it had more to do with a new QB thrown into the mix at the last minute.

Drops were less frequent toward seasons end


I'll mark you down as perfectly content with the 57th worst drop rate in Power-5 football.

And I'll concede that LSU could well have been mediocre in drops if you adjust for the early season issue.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:29 pm to
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LSU hasn't had an elite route runner since Beckham and Landry. That's on coaching.

I don't care if you put in 10,000 reps a day on a jugs machine, if you can't get separation it's more difficult to complete passes.
I can't recall a single drop in 2018 that was affected by route running/separation.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 12:30 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:29 pm to
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I'll mark you down as perfectly content with the 57th worst drop rate in Power-5 footba


You would be wrong. I was very vocal about the drops

I have a reasonable explanation while you're just making a wild guess.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33963 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:29 pm to
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Every HOF WR I'm aware of is a "rep freak". Yes, a good WR coach can improve things in other areas, but reps are king in catching the ball.




What you fail to realize is that a HOF WR has that in them to go get the reps one way or the other.

You can't turn someone into a HOF by making them do 10 million reps if that intrinsic desire to be great isn't in them.

The lackluster performance of our WRs is a group failure, mostly on them, partly on Jeaux for not inspiring his troops, and partly on the HC because ultimately he is responsible for everything.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 12:35 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52092 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:30 pm to
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I can't recall a single drop in 2018 that was affected by route running/separation.


Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:35 pm to
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You would be wrong. I was very vocal about the drops

I have a reasonable explanation while you're just making a wild guess.
Your explanation is naive. I played WR and coached WR. (Believe that or not, I don't care)

Catching a football at an elite level is a virtuoso skill. It has to be practiced every day. Funny how all the best WRs have done this for the past 50+ years (and the hacks practice a little here and there, when they feel like it)
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 12:36 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298503 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:41 pm to
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Your explanation is naive.


So chemistry and timing have nothing to do with catching a football
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 12:46 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33963 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:45 pm to
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I played WR and coached WR.


So did I. Prove me wrong.

And I know that you either have the desire to improve your skills or you don't.

If the WRs don't want to get the extra reps in, and the QB doesn't want to drag them to the practice field, and the HC doesn't instill in these guys what it takes to master their craft, you think it then falls on the S&C coach to whip them into shape?
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:50 pm to
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So chemist story and timing have nothing to do with catching a football
Chemistry and timing are also critical elements, and require both the QB and WR in practice.

However, WR/QB time is extremely limited. And a WR needs to work on the 12 or so basic catches every day. At least 100 reps.

Just like a PGA pro works on his skill-set every day; and a concert pianist works on his skill-set every day.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 12:57 pm to
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If the WRs don't want to get the extra reps in, and the QB doesn't want to drag them to the practice field, and the HC doesn't instill in these guys what it takes to master their craft, you think it then falls on the S&C coach to whip them into shape?

1) No way any QB should throw 100 reps a day to a dozen or more receivers. Pitch counts matter to QBs too.

2) A S&C coach COULD order WRs to take reps as part of the 10 hours per week permitted by the NCAA - but it appears that Moffitt hasn't made the choice to do so.

3) In the alternative, the WRs can practice voluntarily (in addition to the 10 hours), but the S&C coach has to make the Jugs easily available - it also appears that Moffitt has not made the choice to do so.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 1:04 pm
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 1:05 pm to
What if we set up a GoFundMe to buy a few jugs machines and fans could volunteer for time slots 24/7 to make the machines available on the parade ground for any WR or TE who wanted to use them?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298503 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 1:06 pm to
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but the S&C coach has to make the Jugs easily available - it also appears that Moffitt has not made the choice to do so.


How do you reach this conclusion?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70010 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 1:12 pm to
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Just like a PGA pro works on his skill-set every day;


i don't think Koepka does
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7029 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 1:40 pm to
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he’s LSU’s “corch


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crowned national champions whiff two losses.


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It wouldn’t have been good enough to back into the playoffs, butt still.


Your post made me laugh. Thanks.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 1:42 pm to
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i don't think Koepka does
Koepka does full (4-5 hour) practices on days leading up to Majors. He does less practice for non-majors, but still hits a 100 or so shots in his 45-minute routine before non-majors.

Video of Koepka's 45-minute pre-round routine.

LINK
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29860 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 1:42 pm to
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I'll mark you down as perfectly content with the 57th worst drop rate in Power-5 football

Mark me down as thinking you're an idiot and making up shite to support a manufactured argument.
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