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re: one of the main reasons i like coach O and think he'll be a success at LSU
Posted on 5/2/17 at 12:54 am to LSU Groupee
Posted on 5/2/17 at 12:54 am to LSU Groupee
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Anyone thinking a coach gone in December, 2004 is responsible for the success of 2007 is clearly clueless.
Saban is not solely responsible for the success of the 2007. Les definitely had some help from saban like the recruits and that championship mindset that saban puts in his programs
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 5:23 am to LSU Groupee
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Anyone thinking a coach gone in December, 2004 is responsible for the success of 2007 is clearly clueless.
Flynn, Dorsey, Doucet, Hester, Highsmith, Alexander, Jackson-Chevis, Jackson-Tyson, Steltz, Zenon, Johnson, Coleman, Taylor, Stewart...
Maybe not responsible for he sure contributed to the ingredients. It's "clueless" to think that Saban wouldn't have met or exceeded Miles' results.
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Saban couldn't get one back to back ten win season,
He might have had three if not for Mauck's injury at UF in '02. Nick inherited a 3-8 team and won an SEC title in year two.
Since you think so lowly of Saban's transformative tenure at LSU consider this: Saban won SEC championships in 2 of 5 seasons at LSU and an NC in 1 of 5. Miles won SEC titles in 2 of 11 seasons and an NC in of 1 of 11.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:36 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Interim tenures are in no way running a program. He didnt choose the coordinators, he didnt run the offense or defense during either of his interim tenures.
This is just plain stupid. He did better with the same personnel than the guy who was fired.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:24 am to JohnnyU
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Since you think so lowly of Saban's transformative tenure at LSU consider this: Saban won SEC championships in 2 of 5 seasons at LSU and an NC in 1 of 5. Miles won SEC titles in 2 of 11 seasons and an NC in of 1 of 11.
got this rickdaddy??
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:28 am to Rickdaddy4188
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He wouldnt be a top 5 candidate at Vandy or Kentucky.
And neither would Miles at this point.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:29 am to nofear67
Yes, he did better with the same personnel than the guy who was fired.
And by this yardstick, he did not deserve to be fired, as well .
That's a LOOONG way from saying he was the best qualified candidate for head coach.
And by this yardstick, he did not deserve to be fired, as well .
That's a LOOONG way from saying he was the best qualified candidate for head coach.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:58 am to JohnnyU
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Maybe not responsible for he sure contributed to the ingredients.
I can go to the store and get ingredients, but that doesn't mean I get credit for the cake that someone else bakes from my ingredients. The NCG was three years later. That's three fricking lifetimes away from Saban. I guess you want to give GN credit for Saban's SEC title at LSU.
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Saban won SEC championships in 2 of 5 seasons at LSU and
Oh shite, not this again. One of his titles came with threes SEC defeats. Tells us how many titles Les might have won if he could have had threes defeats? The SEC Nick faced at LSU had one NC and the SEC Les faced had four NCs. Nick faced a much easier road to the SEC title and NC in his time here than what Les faced.
Nick is a great coach and worked wonders at LSU, but by the time Les won the NC Nick had already failed in his two year pro effort and was coaching another college team.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:25 am to LSU Groupee
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Tells us how many titles Les might have won if he could have had threes defeats? The SEC Nick faced at LSU had one NC and the SEC Les faced had four NCs. Nick faced a much easier road to the SEC title and NC in his time here than what Les faced.
You're minimizing what Saban did.....he still won the SEC. Its not his fault the competition was at a different level at that time.
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coaching another college team.
Yea...another team alright....one that after 2011, Miles could never beat again.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:57 am to RedTigerRulz
I don't know why anybody would argue the effect Saban had on LSU football. He may have been the best blessing that LSU has ever had in football. He gave Les a powerhouse program that I would argue did not exist prior. LSU had some good years and some lean years. LSU was a very winning program, but in no way was a blue-blood of CFB. Saban put LSU on the path to becoming a "new money," powerhouse.
Les did a very good job maintaining and even improving the program in his own way, but his 70's style approach to winning can't overcome teams with equal or greater talent, and it also magnifies situational coaching mistakes. Unfortunately Alabama started recruiting better talent under Saban and the SEC as a whole was more talented since the last LSU championship, and it was the beginning of the end of the Les Miles "old school" approach.
I believe in Coach O. I think he has changed since his Ole Miss days. He is making a move toward more innovation on offense with hiring of the most productive OC last year and was able to keep the best DC in college football on staff. He is maintaining and maybe improving upon Miles' ability to recruit as expected. I guess we will see if the passing game can improve under O and Canada which is what is needed. That is a combo of better O-line and QB play. I think it'll take at least 2 years but more likely 3 years to realize that progress with better talent and development. Hopefully he can make the most of the situation until that time.
TL;DR... sorry
Les did a very good job maintaining and even improving the program in his own way, but his 70's style approach to winning can't overcome teams with equal or greater talent, and it also magnifies situational coaching mistakes. Unfortunately Alabama started recruiting better talent under Saban and the SEC as a whole was more talented since the last LSU championship, and it was the beginning of the end of the Les Miles "old school" approach.
I believe in Coach O. I think he has changed since his Ole Miss days. He is making a move toward more innovation on offense with hiring of the most productive OC last year and was able to keep the best DC in college football on staff. He is maintaining and maybe improving upon Miles' ability to recruit as expected. I guess we will see if the passing game can improve under O and Canada which is what is needed. That is a combo of better O-line and QB play. I think it'll take at least 2 years but more likely 3 years to realize that progress with better talent and development. Hopefully he can make the most of the situation until that time.
TL;DR... sorry
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:15 am to RedTigerRulz
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You're minimizing what Saban did
shite, I said the man is a great coach and did wonders at LSU. Just because I don't bend over for the guy like you do doesn't mean I don't recognize what he did here. It means I understand coaches gone three years from a team don't get credit for what a team is doing.
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Its not his fault the competition was at a different level
No one is saying its his fault. Some of us are just able to see that comparing two different coaches without noting one never faced a national champion within its own conference and one faced three is plain retarded.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:28 am to Rickdaddy4188
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So please enlighten to the proof that says he is better as a head coach and running a program.
Wow, it must be tough not being able to read. I said there is no definitive proof. I also said the evidence for it is not zero. WTF is wrong with you?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 12:35 pm to LSU Groupee
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can go to the store and get ingredients, but that doesn't mean I get credit for the cake that someone else bakes from my ingredients.
WTF
Posted on 5/2/17 at 12:40 pm to LSU Groupee
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No one is saying its his fault. Some of us are just able to see that comparing two different coaches without noting one never faced a national champion within its own conference and one faced three is plain retarded.
And one is Saban lol. Your whole argument is shite
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:04 pm to LSU GrandDad
Are we still doing this?
Worst coach in Ole Miss history, and he's going to bring us a national championship....
Oh wait we don't expect to. Therefore, there's no measuring stick for O because "Yay yaw," and accents.
If MC and DA are successful and do make us competitive, what percentage chance do you see them NOT taking a head coach role? And if that happens, what then? O can't coach either side of the ball.
Except, there is no logic on earth that makes this the right move unless Alleva has already traveled through time to see the results.
If it does produce, great, I think any fan would be glad to be proven wrong. But having reservations is not being "a hater."
Worst coach in Ole Miss history, and he's going to bring us a national championship....
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we probably aren't going to make the playoffs this year unless we get lucky and bama loses a couple of games
Oh wait we don't expect to. Therefore, there's no measuring stick for O because "Yay yaw," and accents.
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but if O and Canada can sign and train that elusive top notch QB LSU is going to be a contender again. I have not been this excited about LSU football since 2011; the decline is reversing fellow fans!
If MC and DA are successful and do make us competitive, what percentage chance do you see them NOT taking a head coach role? And if that happens, what then? O can't coach either side of the ball.
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to all of you coach O haters; you know, the guys that hate his accent, the guys that refuse to accept he's improved since his last gig 15 years ago, the guys that naively think LSU can sign ANYBODY in the country they want to be HC, etc, etc I have just one sunday morning message for you....................................................................
Except, there is no logic on earth that makes this the right move unless Alleva has already traveled through time to see the results.
If it does produce, great, I think any fan would be glad to be proven wrong. But having reservations is not being "a hater."
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:10 pm to Freauxzen
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Except, there is no logic on earth that makes this the right move unless Alleva has already traveled through time to see the results.
No AD hiring a new coach knows future results lol. All of them are a risk
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:19 pm to Howyouluhdat
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No AD hiring a new coach knows future results lol. All of them are a risk
Of course every hire is risk.
Except there are qualities that you can look at it to find how to minimize risk and maximize potential.
Previous win rates.
How the candidate succeed or failed in the full position
How did his teams improve
How he built a program
Was he successful in instilling good fundamentals, philosophies, strategies
What past coaches say about him
How he breaks down one side of the ball
How he gameplans
How he develops coaching talent
How he develops player talent
Etc.
And by ANY notion of "head coaching experience," O fails. Hence the comment. He doesn't measure up on enough of those to be in any head coaching conversation, which is why he's never been considered for another position and why he wouldn't have been hired by anyone else.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:51 pm to Cracking
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I believe in Coach O. I think he has changed since his Ole Miss days. He is making a move toward more innovation on offense with hiring of the most productive OC last year and was able to keep the best DC in college football on staff. He is maintaining and maybe improving upon Miles' ability to recruit as expected. I guess we will see if the passing game can improve under O and Canada which is what is needed. That is a combo of better O-line and QB play. I think it'll take at least 2 years but more likely 3 years to realize that progress with better talent and development. Hopefully he can make the most of the situation until that time.
god bless you sir.
you have summed up the whole intent of this post. sadly, the post was hijacked and digressed into the hiring process and the credentials of O and then rickdad and his bull shite and recently been rehashing the miles vs saban crap. ALL OF THE CRAP IS HISTORY. all I care about is LSU football going forward. with the coaches we have and with the recruiting prowess we possess I believe we can compete for championships again. I can't ask for more because of that midget asshat in Tuscaloosa turned out to be the best coach college has ever seen (possibly). and he outrecruits us EVERYWHERE but the skilled positions. we have got to improve our lines of scrimmage and our LBers. I think we got 'em all with the possible exception of the oL.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:54 pm to LSU GrandDad
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all I care about is LSU football going forward. with the coaches we have and with the recruiting prowess we possess I believe we can compete for championships again.
Uhhh....
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we probably aren't going to make the playoffs this year unless we get lucky and bama loses a couple of games.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 5:14 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Your whole argument is shite
After reading some of the retarded shite you post here, you thinking my points are shite is a compliment.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:18 pm to LSU Groupee
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After reading some of the retarded shite you post here, you thinking my points are shite is a compliment.
What did I post that was retarded? Your whole argument is based on Saban winning against no championship caliber teams and then go and say Miles did when Saban was obviously one of them lol. You can't cut down one coach and then include him in your defense
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