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re: Ok so Smart was cleared by the NCAA, right?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:37 pm to Madking
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:37 pm to Madking
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Smart didn’t take any money so he was cleared but just offering improper benefits is a violation so Wade can still be in trouble.
What would a punishment for that amount to though? Because it's not like ineligible players are out on the court, from my judgment appears it would incur like a game suspension or something like that though it's definitely a fireable offense regarding his contract.
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Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:43 pm to Madking
Again where is the offer of improper benefits. We know Wade made an offer, but where does it say what was offered in the transcripts, and what among those benefits were improper.
I mean everyone knows that major NCAAMBB recruits are getting something improper. Pay for play is the rule not the exception. I am just asking where Wade mentions anything specific about the offer that would qualify it as “improper”?
I mean everyone knows that major NCAAMBB recruits are getting something improper. Pay for play is the rule not the exception. I am just asking where Wade mentions anything specific about the offer that would qualify it as “improper”?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:48 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Well for example coach Jim Bohiem of Syracuse was caught with 12 violations in 2015 and received a 4 game suspension. Here Wade hasn’t been caught doing anything and if the rumors are true would only have one violation maybe two so he should’ve already served any suspension he would’ve been given. That’s what makes what’s going on that much more of a failure by our AD.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:49 pm to crzycjunx76
I didn’t say Wade did anything, I said Smart was cleared but Wade hasn’t been cleared yet because we don’t know if he did offer anything improper or not. I actually think Wade is going to come out looking a lot cleaner than people think.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:50 pm to Bonjourno
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So the phone conversation in itself is just speaking about an offer which is a violation
What part of the strong arse offer was a violation? Unless you’ve read more transcripts or heard more tapes your statement is simply false.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:19 pm to crzycjunx76
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Where in the transcripts does Wade offer something impermissible?
Man guys like you are in for a big fall
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:21 pm to GeeOH
Again what part was illegal?
Posted on 4/13/19 at 3:18 am to GeeOH
Meh, I am sure there were improper benefits. If you would asked me when he, or any of our big recruits, signed I would have said so. Blue Chip college recruits get paid, it is not a secret.
If the NCAA wants to dig deep enough with us, or any D1 program, they will find some violations. Hell during my time at UNT, Johnny Jones era, the basketball players we’re raking it in... and that is North Texas not a big program.
All I am saying is the released transcripts contain nothing the NCAA could dole out punishment for on their own. There is nothing that constitutes a violation there at all, just smoke.
I just keep seeing statements that Wade is already going to face penalties due to what has been leaked... which irks me because it is asinine and just flat out wrong.
If the NCAA wants to dig deep enough with us, or any D1 program, they will find some violations. Hell during my time at UNT, Johnny Jones era, the basketball players we’re raking it in... and that is North Texas not a big program.
All I am saying is the released transcripts contain nothing the NCAA could dole out punishment for on their own. There is nothing that constitutes a violation there at all, just smoke.
I just keep seeing statements that Wade is already going to face penalties due to what has been leaked... which irks me because it is asinine and just flat out wrong.
Posted on 4/13/19 at 8:00 am to Madking
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Again what part was illegal?
Any, and i mean ANY benefit outside of the parameters of an official, basically
Hes on tape. Others are going to trial. They will cut deals and speak to the feds.
He spoke if hiw much of the benefit each person took
He said it should have secured the commitment
Hes fricked
Deal w it
Posted on 4/13/19 at 8:40 am to SoulGlo
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Then what's the holdup with Wade?
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Difference No. 1: Wade is an LSU employee, while Smart is not. “Coach Wade may very well have violated his contract with LSU, as well as bylaws of the NCAA by refusing to be a part of this process,” Munson said. “That obviously does not apply to Javonte as a student-athlete.”
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Difference No. 2: Smart fully cooperated immediately. Wade has not yet done so. “Javonte, and this is extremely important, immediately and fully cooperated with us every single step of the way and with the NCAA," Munson said. Munson added that “the door is still open” for Wade to talk to LSU officials and NCAA investigators.
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Difference No. 3 pertains to the reported wiretaps. An offer to a recruit alone is an NCAA violation. A transaction does not need to occur for an NCAA violation to occur. “Javonte is not on that reported wiretap making an offer,” Munson said. “Someone else is. Just because there have been no findings of an action does not change the possibility of a violation because of the offer."
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Posted on 4/13/19 at 11:47 am to kciDAtaE
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LSU allowed smart to play after he met with admin.
LSU let Smart play the entire season because they knew the allegations against Wade were BS, way back in Oct 2018.
This whole schism was Alleva's and Alexanders doing, because they panicked, and knuckled under to the Dick Vitale's of the world.
Posted on 4/13/19 at 12:14 pm to The First Cut
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Just because there have been no findings of an action does not change the possibility of a violation because of the offer."
Any lawyer worth a damn can argue the hell out of hearsay and semantics when it comes to " offer ". Especially when lacking specific details.
Posted on 4/13/19 at 12:16 pm to SoulGlo
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Then what's the holdup with Wade? If there weren't payments, there weren't payments
Smart is using the Cam Newton defense.
as long as he “doesn’t know” of an offer or even an actual payment, he is in the clear.
that has no impact on the innocence or guilt of Wade though.
Posted on 4/13/19 at 2:09 pm to SoulGlo
No he wasn’t. The compliance center for LSU cleared him.
Posted on 4/13/19 at 2:13 pm to Nutriaitch
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Smart is using the Cam Newton defense.
as long as he “doesn’t know” of an offer or even an actual payment, he is in the clear.
I guess you missed the part where his parents were in the meetings with LSU and the NCAA, as well as his mother threatening to sue the university for damaging his reputation and potential earning capacity if they refused to reinstate him ASAP?
Not the same situation at all.
Posted on 4/13/19 at 2:21 pm to SoulGlo
my guess is LSU wants to know 3 things
1. if money exchanged hands
2. who money exchanged hands with
3. the extent of his illegal recruiting tactics
1. if money exchanged hands
2. who money exchanged hands with
3. the extent of his illegal recruiting tactics
Posted on 4/13/19 at 2:23 pm to GeeOH
But you’re saying he’s guilty of something illegal not “if he was guilty”. We all know if he did something he’ll be punished but nothing has been proven like you’re assuming and saying. Nothing we know of at this point that he’s done has been outside of the rules.
Deal with it
Deal with it
This post was edited on 4/13/19 at 2:25 pm
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