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re: Official Scrimmage Thread
Posted on 8/14/11 at 7:48 pm to Rudy40
Posted on 8/14/11 at 7:48 pm to Rudy40
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AS i stated in an earlier post... JJ is measured on 2010 (a jr qb) Jlee is still measuered on 2008 (as a fresh).
As the above post adequatley proves.
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I would disagree Lee actually seems to go through his progressions and gets in trouble when he gets pressure and hasnt gotten to an open receiver in his reads.
Not to start another pissing match, but since my comment of Lee going into panic mode was challenged earlier....if anyone is currently watching the Alabama replay on CST you just saw a perfect example of what I was talking about. There was no pressure, he had to hold the ball, then got happy feet and threw it up for grabs. Thankfully Murphy broke up in the interception.
Disclaimer: No where in this post did I say anything positive about Jefferson or suggest Jefferson is an adequate QB.
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Posted on 8/14/11 at 7:58 pm to MOT
I dont understand your point...
All the qbs on our team have faults and they always will.
I'm simply saying Jlee isnt the same player he was in 2008, when and where most people on here (espeec the ones that dislike him) draw their opinions.
JJ on the other hand has had two yrs in a row, of recent PT to change peoples minds.
He hasnt done it.. he didnt play well this spring and so far it seems its the same song different dance... obv its just one scimmage and he'll have more to either prove himself improved or keep on with the same ole same old.
I undeerstnad its important to our def acclimated to the speed in which oregon is gonna play us, but for fricks sake.... our offense was damn near last in everything last season.
Saying time needs to be spent on the off side of the ball is IMO an understatment.
All the qbs on our team have faults and they always will.
I'm simply saying Jlee isnt the same player he was in 2008, when and where most people on here (espeec the ones that dislike him) draw their opinions.
JJ on the other hand has had two yrs in a row, of recent PT to change peoples minds.
He hasnt done it.. he didnt play well this spring and so far it seems its the same song different dance... obv its just one scimmage and he'll have more to either prove himself improved or keep on with the same ole same old.
I undeerstnad its important to our def acclimated to the speed in which oregon is gonna play us, but for fricks sake.... our offense was damn near last in everything last season.
Saying time needs to be spent on the off side of the ball is IMO an understatment.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:04 pm to TIGRLEE
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I dont understand your point...
All the qbs on our team have faults and they always will.
I clearly stated earlier that both QBs have faults, I absolutely agree with you. But one of Lee's faults I pointed out earlier was challenged by you saying that I was drawing that conclusion from 2008, and by others saying that it simply wasn't true and that he only panics when pressured. I'm only saying that play is an example of what I was talking about regarding Lee.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:29 pm to TIGRLEE
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I dont think its asking or expecting too much for you sr 3rd yr starting qb to impress.
If you have any expectations on the first scrimmage of fall you are misguided.
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Dont think for a scond that if he had Lee's stats for the scrimmage and both mett and lee struggled, some here wouldnt have taken that and ran the other way with it.
Sure they would have...and they also would have been wrong.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:34 pm to moneyg
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If you have any expectations on the first scrimmage of fall you are misguided.
I dont quit get what is wrong with expecting your sr qb to look impressive... I dont care if its first or second or last one.
They sure didnt have any issues singing his praises in the glorified game of catch on the practice field last week or two.
Thats just me though.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:55 pm to moneyg
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If you have any expectations on the first scrimmage of fall you are misguided.
I think everyone just wants some production from that position.
We play in less than 3 weeks. You are acting like we are in spring football still.
Jefferson should look pretty sharp considering the point we are at now and all the work he and Krag have put in, and the fact that we lost like 1 or 2 players from our offense last year.
To chalk up his weak play to it being "our first scrimmage" does not ease my worries, considering how bad he has been throughout his career.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:00 pm to Lester Earl
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To chalk up his weak play to it being "our first scrimmage" does not ease my worries
I'm not saying that you shouldn't have concerns...not at all. And, his play over the last 2 years are good reasons to express doubt that he will turn the corner.
But, nothing he can do between now and the beginning of the year can change that.
It's very common to have an offense not look good in the first scrimmage of the year. Drawing conclusions based on reports from the first fall scrimmage of the year is incredibly misguided.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:07 pm to moneyg
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It's very common to have an offense not look good in the first scrimmage of the year. Drawing conclusions based on reports from the first fall scrimmage of the year is incredibly misguided.
dude we play in 19 days. save the 1st scrimmage stuff.
If he deserved the benefit of the doubt, I'd agree with you. to hear he got outplayed by other QB from people that watched the scrimmage isnt exactly refreshing.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:10 pm to Lester Earl
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If he deserved the benefit of the doubt, I'd agree with you. to hear he got outplayed by other QB from people that watched the scrimmage isnt exactly refreshing.
others had different opinions though, so I take all of it with a grain of salt.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:14 pm to Lester Earl
quote:I know what you are saying, but the first scrimmage is typically the worst for the offense. I applaud the three of them for their good play.
I think everyone just wants some production from that position.
We play in less than 3 weeks. You are acting like we are in spring football still.
Jefferson should look pretty sharp considering the point we are at now and all the work he and Krag have put in, and the fact that we lost like 1 or 2 players from our offense last year.
My understanding was that all looked good, but JJ had a pick-6.
I think we got what we wanted out of the first scrimmage. Solid play on offense, solid play on defense.
It concerns me more that our defense does NOT appear to be sufficiently ahead of the offense. That is the way it should be.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:15 pm to ForeLSU
quote:assuming those watching are being objective is kind of naive.
others had different opinions though, so I take all of it with a grain of salt.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:17 pm to Roaad
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It concerns me more that our defense does NOT appear to be sufficiently ahead of the offense
Almost all of the reports early in this thread and other places state that the first team D was stifling whomever was playing QB, and that yards were hard to come by from anybody. Where did you see differently?
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:20 pm to Roaad
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assuming those watching are being objective is kind of naive.
true, although tigrlee knows for a fact that anyone knocking JJ is being objective but anyone knocking lee is just blinded by an agenda...
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:21 pm to Roaad
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It concerns me more that our defense does NOT appear to be sufficiently ahead of the offense. That is the way it should be.
pretty much everyone that posted on here said the defense was nasty and the offense really didn't do squat...
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:22 pm to ForeLSU
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others had different opinions though, so I take all of it with a grain of salt.
who has said JEfferson played well?
i heard a lot of the same in this thread
-bad timing
-holding ball to long
-inaccurate short throws
seems like a lot of the same.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:25 pm to Lester Earl
lester i am not going to go back and dig, but there is a jj camp and a lee camp. The met camp is kinda subsiding.
i have heard jj looked the best and should be the starter
I have heard lee looks good but still does the same bad throwing decisions.
And of course jj is bad, we are going to lose, there is no hope, lets cancel the season
i have heard jj looked the best and should be the starter
I have heard lee looks good but still does the same bad throwing decisions.
And of course jj is bad, we are going to lose, there is no hope, lets cancel the season
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:26 pm to Lester Earl
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who has said JEfferson played well?
2 or 3 out of the 5/6 that went said although Jefferson didn't shine, the others were just as shaky and that JJ is clearly the starter...
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:29 pm to dreaux
i just want the best player to play
if Jefferson shows no improvement and they refuse to take him out, it will be a shame to ruin another season with him under center.
the players deserve better.
that is all im saying.
if Jefferson shows no improvement and they refuse to take him out, it will be a shame to ruin another season with him under center.
the players deserve better.
that is all im saying.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:37 pm to Lester Earl
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if Jefferson shows no improvement and they refuse to take him out, it will be a shame to ruin another season with him under center.
at that point it's just hard to watch. makes me want to wait for the final score and go back and watch it if we win
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:40 pm to Santa Clause
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Jefferson had his usual mixed bag outing...looked better on the short routes, but like other have reported he still held on to the ball for too long and tucked and ran quite a bit. His biggest problem is he doesn't have enough confidence to throw guys open--he waits until a guy is wide open before throwing. He's still not anticipating the routes like he should.
I'm sure that Nonsense and some of his other supporters have likely covered this later in this thread, but just in case:
a) he's only 21
b) he is still confused by Crowton's playcalls
c) Kragthorpe isn't calling plays to his strengths
d) his offensive line sucks
e) he's only started for three years
and to save his supporters the time, I must be a racist
As I have continued to say, I don't care if Bill Walsh or Mike Holmgren had been hired as the QB coach, they are not going to make JJ a better than mediocre QB over the long haul. I hope I am wrong, and will eat a big ole crow pie if I am.
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