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re: Official QB Thread...(do not start a new thread to discuss QB's)

Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by just me
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:06 pm to
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Both of these games Lee played very limited, only the first half of the Ole Miss game (injured in second qtr) and in the 4th qtr at Bama. I think 4/10 against the National Championship defense is pretty solid. He did lead us down the field for a TD.
let me see if I have your argument straight.

Lee didn't have five games as bad or worse than Jefferson's worst game.

He's only had three starts as bad or worse than Jefferson's worst start even though Lee has started far fewer games.


One other thing.

Posters want to talk about how many games Jefferson has had (16), and how Jefferson has had so many more games than Lee.

Except that even with all of those extra games, Jefferson still hasn't thrown as many interceptions as Lee.


So will someone explain to me again, how do opposing coaches know that Lee is such a better passer than Jefferson?

It isn't based upon pick sixes. We ALL know that.
It isn't based upon interceptions.
It isn't based upon games of 40% or less completion rate.
It isn't based upon overall completion percentage.
It isn't based upon yards per attempt.
It isn't based upon completions of greater than 50 yards.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:09 pm to
Its based on the unknown of this season. And fans have a right to want that after the last 2 weeks.
Posted by TigerFan55555
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:20 pm to
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He's only had three starts as bad or worse than Jefferson's worst start even though Lee has started far fewer games.


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Except that even with all of those extra games, Jefferson still hasn't thrown as many interceptions as Lee.


ITS CALLED PROTECTIVE PLAY CALLING THAT IS KILLING OUR OFFENSE!!!! BECAUSE HE CANT DO ANYTHING ELSE!!!!

Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:23 pm to
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doesn't regularly turn the ball over
-accurate within 15 yards (bad game against Vandy)
-ability to scramble


scrambling is the only one I give you and that is MEH
Posted by brodrig
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:40 pm to
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He has had all off season to improve and he has not


very disappointing for all Tiger fans

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I would start Jefferson against State and bring Lee off the bench if we do not move the ball on the first two possesions. If Lee can show that he is as good as Jefferson which is not much. Then start him against west viginia. If he fails to prove he is the better of the two then go back to Jefferson. Sitting Jefferson will do him some good. It sure can't hurt him.


+ 1000

this seems so damn obvious to me, how can coaching staff not see we will need JL this year too, and we are killing his confidence

I just hope we see some better QB play this weekend so we can stop QB threads and enjoy the ride
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79068 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:51 pm to
So if lee sucks ate yall going to make the same excuses you are now. 8/20 and 7/22 against the vaunted defenses of tulane and la tech.

All you people saying why wait til the hear of the sec schedule? Well what happens when you just go ahead and start lee. If he can't do any better and you switch back to JJ then it's the sane thing. Then JJ only has started two games before we get into the rough schedule.

Lee should not start. Until he proves his worth. And he will get his chance, and if he doesn't it means we obviously keep getting better
Posted by Atkinson15
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:52 pm to
I am not a Jefferson fan at all, but the fans should never boo one of their own. The point was just made on the Buddy Songy Show that Miles makes 4 million a year, so boo his arse. Boo'ing Lee last year was shameful. It shouldn't happen again.
Posted by just me
Front of the Class: Schooling You
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:53 pm to
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how can coaching staff not see we will need JL this year too
Seems pretty clear to me that the coaching staff realized that.
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“I think both of those guys can give it to us,’’ Miles said. “I think Jefferson definitely can, and we’re going to encourage Lee because he’s a guy who is going to have to win games for us as we move forward.’’
Posted by cajunjj
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:54 pm to
Tiger fan5555 I'm with u!
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:58 pm to
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So will someone explain to me again, how do opposing coaches know that Lee is such a better passer than Jefferson


I think its more based on the assumption that LSU will probably air the ball out quite a bit more with Lee in. I dont think either of the QBs are great, but Lee definitely gives us the ability to open it up a bit more/throw downfield to our gifted WRs. Coaches dont know hes a better passer, but they probably know were more likely to throw in certain situations with Lee in the game.

I dont claim any of this to be factual, just my opinion. Nobody knows how the opposing coaches feel about each our QBs, but Id be willing to bet they arent worried about JJ beating them out of the air.

People dont think Lee is Peyton Manning, but willing to see if hes improved.

Letting him play 1 quarter is worth the risk.
This post was edited on 9/14/10 at 12:59 pm
Posted by truck man
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:58 pm to
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The mythic bullshite that is posted on this board about Lee is seemingly endless.

How do the opposing coaches know that Lee can pass?

Are they psychic?

Because Lee has not shown in game situations that he can pass better than Jefferson.

Jefferson had a 40% completion rate against Vandy. That's pretty damn bad. However, it's also his worst game; it the second game of the season, and it was on the road.

Lee has had FIVE outings when he completed 40% or less. And that was AFTER he started in five games.

Lee 8/20 (40%) 99 5.0 1 1 [2008 Tulane (Home)]
Lee 13/34 (38%) 181 5.3 1 4 [2008 Alabama (Home)]
Lee 4/12 (33%) 49 4.1 0 1 [2008 Ole Miss (Home)]
Lee 7/22 (32%) 105 4.8 1 0 [2009 La Tech (Home)]
Lee 4/10 (40%) 44 4.4 0 1 [2009 Alabama]



i agree with all that you say, but you also must bring realize that Jefferson is regressing. the coaches are still even after 16 starts scared to unleash him. ever thought of that being the reason he doesn't throw many interception? Lee was given full range of the Offense as a RS Freshman, and made some mistakes, which should almost be expected from a REAL YOUNG QB. (i say real cause a RS is young) Jefferson repeadtley makes the same mistakes (locks onto WR, takes sacks, doesn't go thru his progressions, isn't accurate on deep balls, decision making in genral) and coaches say it's because he's Young??? he's a frickin JR. i'll admit Lee has looked bad and utterly horrible at times, but something needs to be done because Jefferson is just not getting it done nor will he ever get it done. if we are resigned to throwing 15 yards to only one WR, at least let the guy who can throw do it.
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8167 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 1:00 pm to
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just me


Ya, and in all those games he was a RS Freshman. Do you honest think that there's no way he couldn't of made any improvements since 08' and LaTech of 09'????

and do you honestly see any improvement in JJ since the GT game????

and do you honestly think that we could run the ball effectively against much better SEC defenses with Jefferson at QB(assuming he doesn't improve at all or very much)????
Posted by mtb010
San Antonio
Member since Sep 2009
5602 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 1:06 pm to
I blame our QB situation on the failed policies of the past 8 years

-President Obama
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 1:08 pm to
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I blame our QB situation on the failed policies of the past 8 years

-President Obama


:racist:
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 1:09 pm to
JL has his 'make up call' from the fans coming soon. He was boo'd, albeit sort of half heartidly considering it was TS. The roar when he goes into a game, at this point with what is going on, will far outweigh and totally erase the boos.

Death Valley will go ape shite when JL jogs onto the field this time.
Posted by Nick Papagorgio
Member since Jan 2006
412 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 1:12 pm to
It seems to me one of JJ's biggest problems is his mechanics in throwing the ball. He has such a long, high release that it appears to really affect his accuracy. To me, that is coaching. Someone needs to show him the proper way to throw a football.

And by the way with this JJ v. JL thing, it's not like we are debating the virues of Joe Montana v. Steve Young. Neither one of them is going to single-handedly lead LSU to a chmpionship. Solid running game, great defense, and have a QB who can manage the game. That's how you win.
This post was edited on 9/14/10 at 1:13 pm
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8167 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 1:13 pm to
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Death Valley will go ape shite when JL jogs onto the field this time.


Yes, it will be loud. Especially if JJ has another Vandy-like game.
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 1:16 pm to
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Yes, it will be loud. Especially if JJ has another Vandy-like game.


And then he completes his first pass for a 1st down. The kid will be walking on air.
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8167 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 1:26 pm to
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It seems to me one of JJ's biggest problems is his mechanics in throwing the ball. He has such a long, high release that it appears to really affect his accuracy. To me, that is coaching. Someone needs to show him the proper way to throw a football.


Too late for that. Old habits are hard to break and won't be broken this year or next. Accuracy is something that cannot be easily taught. You ether have it or don't. Same thing with touch on the football, which Jefferson doesn't have and probably never will.


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And by the way with this JJ v. JL thing, it's not like we are debating the virues of Joe Montana v. Steve Young. Neither one of them is going to single-handedly lead LSU to a chmpionship.


You're probably right, but we already know that JJ cannot. So why not give Lee a shot to see if he's got it "between the ears" yet? Lee has all the mechanics to be a much more dangerous passer than Jefferson ever will in his carer at LSU.


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Solid running game, great defense, and have a QB who can manage the game. That's how you win.



Sure, but I wouldn't exactly call Jefferson good at managing a game. We may go back to the Capital One Bowl with him, but we sure as hell ain't winning the SEC or the NC with the way he's been performing.
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8167 posts
Posted on 9/14/10 at 1:28 pm to
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And then he completes his first pass for a 1st down. The kid will be walking on air.


and that's what he needs. Confidence!


I just fear that Miles will wait to give him any meaningful snaps until we're behind by 3 scores against UF or Bama. That wouldn't be very good for his confidence.



This post was edited on 9/14/10 at 1:31 pm
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